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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Surf City YouTube
« on: May 15, 2022, 06:52:40 AM »
A great video of Jan and Dean singing Surf City on YouTube.

It is new to me. No idea what show it was on as the licensing arrangements are unclear to the untutored.

Quality good - the guys look good and, of course, don't take things too seriously.

I wonder if there are other clips yet to be shared? I haver never seen them singing Dead Man's Curve at the time of its release. That would be great. 8)

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jan and Dean in china
« on: April 29, 2022, 08:39:36 AM »
I agree. I don't know who holds the current ownership of Jan and Dean's music but the success of the Liberty singles and Mark's brilliant books surely suggests there is a market for this.
I still think a box set would be great.
There are loads of bootlegs with studio outtakes - the best of which, cleaned up, would show Jan's studio genius.

« on: April 25, 2022, 07:50:53 AM »
Hi All

Has anyone else seen Guy Peeler's book Rock Dreams. It features his art on the Beatles, Dylan, the Beach Boys and Jan and Dean.

I have a copy of the book but see that on-line many of the pictures are available digitally - but not Jan and Dean. Anyone have a copy of the Jan and Dean pic digitally? My old book is looking rather tatty. I have no idea about copyright issues but so many of the other pages are out there.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Pray for Surf Interview
« on: April 03, 2022, 07:56:12 AM »
I really enjoyed the Park for Surf interviews. More than just an overview of the biography, an additional take o things.

I was especially intrigued by the "jan and anybody' sections.

Dean is a great guy, a talented artist, and his humour was integral to the Jan and Dean personna. That said, his 'audible' contribution to many of the best tracks is minimal or non existent. He has a distinctive voice - good and bad - and I can see why Jan sometimes wanted a purer falsetto. Listening to the Little Old Lady outtakes confirms this for me.

Jan's brilliance was in creating a rich studio sound instrumentally and vocally and my reading is that Dean wasn't always the right sound. I accept that Jan's voice too had some limits but multi tracking and writing songs for that range made him a stand out singer for me. His lead vocals were important in turning me on to their sound at the start. To find that he wrote, arranged and produced etc etc makes hime undoubtedly the one defining presence in the band. I was always disappointed that live and on TV, Jan did not bother (Is that too strong?) to replicate the studio sound.

For me, Jan and Dean on record are Jan and others (not anybody but a carefully chosen group of musicians). Reading Mark's books has strengthened this belief.

Thanks Mark

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jan berry Anthology
« on: March 10, 2022, 08:35:06 AM »
It is sad that nothing has happened. A Jan anthology could include some great songs - maybe an outtake or two and some backing tracks.

I posted elsewhere that given the success of the Liberty singles album it would be great if we could have a 'best of the rest' album drawing on some of the best album cuts (using original masters.)

Of course, the ultimate would be a Jan and Dean box set - I've been asking for years. I don't know who owns everything but it would be a great boost to Jan and Dean's legacy.

« on: March 03, 2022, 10:22:53 AM »
Yes me too.

I just worry that Jan's great work is so often crowded out by other stuff.

« on: March 01, 2022, 10:40:04 AM »
Makes no sense. For years we have been battling the rerecorded versions being mistaken for the original and now this!

« on: February 13, 2022, 08:04:46 AM »
I Found a Girl is a strange one. When I first heard it, I was surprised that the track seemed quite 'muddy' compared with Jan's very "clean" productions. It has transpired over time that there are several mixes of the song. The UK release was not the same as the US. I first heard it on Folk n Roll - UK release - and this seems to have yet another take.
I was listening to the mon version on the Liberty singles album and the track is so much better. Remember Liberty put out the wrong Dead Mans Curve version on Golden Hits. Quality control was terrible.
If nothing else, the various versions of IFAG show that even at the end, disillusioned with the record label, Jan went over and above to get the sound he wanted. Just a shame there was no agreement of which version would hit the shops!

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Happy Christmas
« on: December 24, 2021, 08:17:57 AM »
Happy Christmas to all Jan and Dean fans across the world and a big thanks to Mark for his two great books.

Happy new year everyone.

« on: November 16, 2021, 12:46:57 AM »
Etsy are selling at ridiculous cost Jan and Dean 12 inch versions of Such a good night for dreaming - Palisades park, featuring vintage pin ups. They look terrible and a strange choice of songs. Does anyone know who is doing them and why?

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: iheart radio
« on: September 28, 2021, 11:43:29 AM »
Google took me to a link but the station is not available in the UK.

Brilliant news and thanks

Hi All
Writing from the UK.
I see that the new book is now listed on the publisher's website but Amazon are still saying unavailable (both US and UK sites). I have had my copy on order since February and wondered what the issues was. I bought Mark's other book (brilliant!) through Amazon UK.

My concern with Dean's rerecordings is that those of us advocating for Jan and Dean do so on the basis of Jan's arrangements and productions - the original multi-layered versions. Our case is diluted at best with the inferior remakes that are all over the place. The casual listener is too easily taken to these. I came to Jan and Dean initially through the singles and was blown away when I discovered the richness of the albums.I can't imagine taking the time to do that based on Dean's reworking.
I strongly contend that Jan's expertise in the studio and his use of the Wrecking Crew was a huge influence on Brian Wilson. Impossible to prove this via the remakes.
I know Dean wasn't alone in this but the versions he gave us are so inferior to the originals. I think Jan's voice - multi-tracked - is often overlooked. His phrasing and the 'punch' of his voice gives further depth to the songs.

PS Can't wait for the new book.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Altfield-gibson
« on: July 23, 2021, 12:41:25 PM »
Jill certainly has a story and a really intriguing one. I guess she is directing her creativity into her art. She is immensely talented.

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