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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: 1966 concert
« on: April 10, 2019, 12:47:44 PM »
I've thought about this before, and I think it would've had a significant impact on whether Jan & Dean continued into '67.  They were still a popular act and had a couple of Top Forty hits in '65, but their last entry in the Top Twenty had been 1964's Ride the Wild Surf.  To my thinking, regardless of how their television show was received by the public, if none of their new material could break into the Top 20 it would no longer be worth their time, and both Jan and Dean would probably move on.  They definitely had an opportunity to remake their brand and break back into the charts with their new show, but in early '66 they were still perceived as surf rock, which didn't help as that trend was losing interest.  The tv show could've helped to rebrand them as sunshine pop, promote new material, maybe bring in quality outside songwriters and increase their presence, all of which their act needed at this juncture.  Given that Popsicle hit #21 with no public support it was possible, but they needed the right material released at the right time or it just wasn't going to happen.  I've also read a story about Jan being incensed about J&D being placed beneath both Sonny & Cher and The Mamas & The Papas for their Hollywood Bowl appearance in '66, but this is the reality he was facing at the time of the accident.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jans production
« on: April 02, 2019, 09:06:16 AM »
I have a good deal of footage of Jan and I working at Al's Red Barn studio recording Second Wave.  I can transfer it from VHS and upload it if there's enough interest in seeing it.


I am definitely interested.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jans production
« on: February 26, 2019, 06:19:45 AM »
I need help. What is (HTC) FAOTW

(Here They Come) From All Over The World

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jans production
« on: February 25, 2019, 12:08:56 PM »
Yep, Jan would do it over and over again until he either got it where he wanted it, or would slap it on as album filler and come back to finish it later.  That's what happened with DMC; Jan wanted to keep working on it, but he needed to submit a completed album so he put the earlier version on the Drag City lp and then kept working on it for a single release.  NGIS has a more convoluted history but there are three completed versions.  There are two versions of (HTC)FAOTW and two versions of YRKHTHAG.   I know Jan worked on Popsicle and Hot Stocker again around '65.  Dean, PF Sloan & Artie Kornfeld have all said something to the effect that the technological limitations they faced in mixing AAACSCBRATA down for radio airplay diminished that record, so Jan also faced limitations but I think he had to balance these things more.  Trying to work with everything that went into his musical career while pursuing a medical degree meant he sometimes had to round out albums or submit singles that weren't everything they could be, and letting matters that weren't going to yield sufficient results (like remixing AAACSCBRATA) go if he was going to achieve what he knew needed to happen.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: what is the deal with Sidewalk Surfin
« on: November 19, 2018, 09:43:43 AM »
The thing that gets me is, since the song is a rewrite of Catch a Wave shouldn't the credits read "Wilson-Love-Berry-Christian" as Mike co-wrote the original lyrics?  I realize there are personal and legal issues as to why it wasn't credited that way but as one of the original composers his name rightly belongs on it, too.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Altfield-gibson
« on: November 09, 2018, 01:07:06 PM »
Don & Jill wrote some nice songs that were used on The Yellow Balloon's album that are very "Jan & Dean in late '66."  They both worked with Jan on his Carnival of Sound project, but I think their professional partnership was already coming to an end even before the accident.  Obviously afterwards it was a very different dynamic and they'd both moved in other professional directions.

Roger Christian's car lyrics are great, other-subject material is another matter.  I find most of it lyrically cumbersome and ham-fisted.  I Can't Wait to Love You is a fantastic track, one of Jan's best from '65 but it suffers from Roger's mediocre lyrics.  They don't do anything to make the recording pop and there are a couple of lines that are downright embarrassing.  They just don't work.  The same is true for A Beginning From an End.  Great track, corny lyrics.  I think if Jan had more time to work on them or had a different lyricist on that material he might have gotten a hit record.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Don't Drag No More
« on: September 17, 2018, 09:01:10 AM »
Susan Lynne has a biography page on 45cat:

Susan Lynne - Biography 

Susan Lynne Koskowitz was born on July 25, 1946. She was a student at Far Rockaway High School in New York when she began recording in 1962 under the name Susan Lynne while working with producers Charles Koppelman and Don Rudin. More of her singles were released through 1964, her last year in high school.

After high school, she studied at Beaver (now Arcadia) College in Pennsylvania, majoring in Spanish. She then embarked on a career in education, initially as a Spanish and ESL teacher and lastly as the Vice-Principal of Reuben Gittelman Hebrew Day School in New City, NY (under her married name of Susan Sobler). She died of cancer on January 31, 2004 at the age of 57.

While none of her singles ever made the Billboard Top 100, her 1964 recording of "Don't Drag No More" received belated recognition when it was included in the 2005 compilation "One Kiss Can Lead to Another: Girl Group Sounds Lost and Found".

There is also a discography on her page:

"Dont' Drag No More" was issued in '64 as Capitol 5201, backed with "In His Car" which was also written by Artie Kornfeld and included a picture sleeve.  In the comments of the record details page you'll find a list of unreleased material that seem to be related, I would say it looks like Artie intended to release an album that never materialized.

 (Session #12145)(purchased masters) LA?,October 16,1964 (?)
 53026 Queen of the drags unissued
 53027 The boy in the stingray -
 53028 Me sitting next to Billy -
 53029 Sports car Sally
 53030 I wish I had a G.T.O. unissued
 53031 Silver is his Jaguar -

There is also another discography with a more recent picture over at Discogs:

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: what c o s. Track?
« on: June 27, 2018, 06:11:27 AM »
I'm assuming the different versions of BMM are working versions in various states of progress and not completely different productions, is there a significant difference in lyrics, instrumentation or vocals on any of them?  This one had a lot of potential, the basic track is a good mid-Sixties rocker that needed some excellent lyrics and production flourish to make it shine.  I don't know if it would have gotten the attention it need or not though, I Can't Wait to Love You also had a really great instrumental track but suffers from sub-par lyrics.  I also don't think Jan is able to pull the vocal off very well.

I know the Davy Jones version of Laurel & Hardy was released on a Monkees collection already, I'm guessing there is not enough interest in an expanded COS release but maybe one day a digital release could happen.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jan's love of his fans
« on: June 26, 2018, 06:20:50 AM »
I don't think it's fair to say that Dean didn't care about the fans.  It's certainly not obvious to me that he didn't based solely on an unwillingness to pose for pictures or sign autographs, especially since Jan was also running a side business after the concerts selling merchandise.  Dean might very well have been too busy running the business operations from behind the scenes to take that amount of time after the concerts, and/or wanted to put some distance between the main operation and Jan's business.  Jan obviously cared about his fans, and interacting with them meant a great deal to him but I think it's a false comparison.

« on: June 19, 2018, 08:24:33 AM »
A new movie, with greater historical accuracy and the attention to detail that was given to the Love & Mercy biopic would be phenomenal.  Jan's skills as a producer, and his abilities to organize and co-ordinate with the many talented friends and people around him to build a career in entertainment while simultaneously enrolled at medical school are just incredible, and would make for an interesting film.  There were a lot of very interesting relationships that really add to the story which weren't included in the tv movie.

DMC did a good job for what it was; it had to fit '58-66 in 45 minutes, and '67-76 in another 45 minutes, about eight minutes a year.  A lot of information was pared down or removed to focus on the main aspects of the characters and to move the plotline along, basically a story of redemption as Jan sees the greater value in his relationships with others once he can no longer do everything himself and push others aside.  The characterizations focus on the relevant personality types to the story, ie Jan is successful because he is hard-driven but it increasingly pushes others away, Dean is along for the ride but as a loyal friend etc.  It's more incomplete than inaccurate (although it certainly has a number of inaccuracies!).  Plus it does have that skateboard scene.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: New Beach Boys release
« on: May 21, 2018, 12:39:55 PM »
Wasn't Pop Symphony intended more as a guided example, I thought Jan's real interest was producing sheet music so that marching bands and kids learning to read music and play instruments in a school band could learn to play along to the arrangements?  Besides the fun of working on scoring and arrangements with George Tipton.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Lookin for Boys
« on: April 20, 2018, 07:24:04 AM »
It would be fun to mash the two songs together.

I'm dying to give him my love, but he won't come back from Dead Man's Curve.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Second Wave
« on: April 19, 2018, 12:29:20 PM »
Indeed!  I've shared the original version of Spring Break with Wounded Bird and it'll be included as a bonus track on the 20th Anniversary Edition released May 4, 2018 along with a spoken-intro version of Get That Girl.

That's great news, Rob!  Is the alternate mix for "So Here I Go Again" you mentioned previously being included, too?

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Best Jan and Dean songs
« on: March 26, 2018, 07:59:54 AM »
Top Forty that wasn't a Top 10: Popsicle
Top Forty that wasn't a Top 20: The New Girl In School & I Found A Girl
Charted, not a Top 40: The Anaheim, Azusa & Cucamonga Sewing Circle, Book Review and Timing Association
Charted below the Top 100: Yellow Balloon
Honorable mention to Schlock Rod Pt. 1 as a non-charting b-side

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Our favorite Jan & Dean songs
« on: February 13, 2018, 05:21:13 AM »
An (almost) daunting task, too many good songs from different points in their career to choose from.  Pretty much everything from 1964 is fun.

For '65, I would choose "It's A Shame To Say Goodbye."  Written by J&D regulars Don Altfeld & Jill Gibson with a stellar arrangement from Jan, it's wistful without being melodramatic and had a current production style while still sounding like a Jan & Dean song.

My favourites though, and what makes me a J&D fan are really the humorous songs.  The just-having-fun, not taking it too seriously joke songs.  Schlock Rod, Submarine Races, Sidney the Seasick Surfer, Time & Space, Hang on Sloopy, Flight of the Batmobile, Gas Money . . . .

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