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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Arnie Ginsburg
« on: May 01, 2012, 06:20:30 AM »

Perhaps Frank can indicate source of his claim - wherher it is an acetate he has or not.

« on: May 01, 2012, 06:19:29 AM »
Whole article makes chronology clear. J & D were sole remnants of The Barons, were working together until Arnie brought "Jennie Lee" to them. The three worked on it, J was about to record but D had to report to Fort Ord next day, so J & A record in garage (D may well be in the mix). It is re-recorded by J&A on Arwin.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Arnie Ginsburg
« on: April 30, 2012, 08:50:47 AM »
Here's what I have included in the J&D wikipedia article re: Arnie Ginsburg:
"By the end of the year, when Torrence had completed his six-month stint at Fort Ord, Ginsburg had become disenchanted with the music business. Ginsburg enrolled in the School of Architecture and Design at the University of Southern California, and graduated in the field of product design in 1966. After graduation, Ginsburg worked for several noted Los Angeles architects, among them Charles Eames.[43] In December 1973 he was granted a U.S. Patent for a table he designed.[44] Arn Ginsburg moved to Santa Barbara, California in 1975, where he worked as an architectural designer,[45] designing the innovative Ginsburg House.[46] In September 1976 Ginsburg and Michael W. O'Neill were granted a patent for a portable batting cage.[47]"

Arnold P. "Arnie" Ginsburg (born November 19, 1939).

Any corrections needed?

« on: April 30, 2012, 08:47:40 AM »
I have been working on Jan and Dean's wikipedia page in the last week. Here's what is there currently on The Barons:

"In order to enter at a talent competition at University High School, Berry and Torrance helped form a doo-wop group]] known as "The Barons" (named after their high school's Hi-Y club, where they were members), which comprised fellow University High students William "Chuck" Steele (lead singer), Arnold P. "Arnie" Ginsburg (born November 19, 1939) (1st tenor), Wallace S. "Wally" Yagi (born 20 July 1940) (2nd tenor), John 'Sagi" Seligman (2nd tenor), with Berry singing bass, and Torrence providing falsetto.

During its short duration, Sandy Nelson, a neighbor of Torrence, played drums, and future Beach Boy Bruce Johnston, occasionally sang and played piano. The Barons rehearsed for hours in the garage of Berry's parents' home at 1111 Linda Flora Drive, Bel Air, where Berry's father provided an upright piano and two two-track Ampex reel-to-reel tape recorders. During primitive recording sessions in the garage, Berry served as producer and arranger, and experimented with multi-part vocal arrangements (five years before he started working professionally with Brian Wilson).

In 1958 The Barons performed to popular acclaim at the talent competition at University High School, covering contemporary hits like "Get a Job", "Rock and Roll Is Here To Stay", and "Short Shorts". However, after the contest various members of The Barons drifted away, leaving only Berry and Torrance, who tried to write their own songs."

Any corrections needed?

I have tried to identify the members of The Barons. Is this the correct line-up?

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Arnie Ginsburg
« on: April 30, 2012, 08:35:26 AM »

Good find, Steve . . . Do you own the record? Can you play the 45? . . . One playback would erase all doubt.
I don't own the record but there are youtube videos as above. What do you think?


DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Arnie Ginsburg
« on: April 29, 2012, 10:57:11 AM »
I have found this discussion interesting. The last few days I have been updating the wikipedia article on Jan and Dean, especially in the Barons and Jan & Arnie sections. I see that it is conjectured that Arnie recorded "Kathy Cryin' Heart" b/w "Cathing Spies".

However, I have discovered that another singer (Alan Burn) recorded and released those 2 songs (Kathy Cryin' Heart b/w Catchin' Spies) by a faux group called Far North on his own Tuesday Records label ca. 1966. Burn is credited as the song writer. and also arranger. See

Any thoughts?

How do we know Arnie recorded those songs and that someone has not mistaken Alan Burn for Arnie's voice?


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