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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Arnie Ginsburg Interview
« on: February 17, 2014, 08:31:20 PM »
Reunion Pix



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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jan and Dean Outside Projects Pre 66
« on: February 17, 2014, 09:29:31 AM »
record stores of Soho and Camden
We must have met there!

What was the name of the Camden store, right by the tube station? I can't remember. It's a long time since, but that was my favourite

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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jan and Dean Outside Projects Pre 66
« on: February 16, 2014, 09:48:36 AM »
it was breaking your back looking thru the back section of a record store or an antique store tryin to find a Jan and Dean rarities
True. Remember the smell of those old vinyl records?

And how would you find about these records thru home made fanzines from dedicated J & D collectors
I still got all of them shelved in my basement

There was no Internet media to gather information there was no eBay available to get that last 45 you needed
Internet is great. But it's lacking the dirt out of rock 'n' roll

lets see a new generation of Jan and Dean fans
I have a picture of my daughter, being about six months old and wearing my "Jan & Dean Bel Air Bandits 69" t-shirt!


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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jan and Dean Outside Projects Pre 66
« on: February 16, 2014, 08:02:59 AM »
anyone who comes on here with ill-informed posts meant to provoke will get an in-kind response.
Probably no-one on here (except you) is a historian. Now that's not a bad thing to be at all

But you shouldn't forget that all these people don't have access to stuff that you have

And you shouldn't forget what rock 'n' roll is all about. We used to hang around in small muggy record shops, looking for that elusive Jan & Dean gem that might have been hidden within all that trash in the shelves. We have been digging through 10.000s of pages of Goldmine magazine to find that one last missing picture sleeve

As BlackSea said, bootlegs have been an important part of an artist's history, a lot of times the artists themselves approved them. It was the only way to hear stuff that would have been lost otherwise or to bring together a collection of tracks that regular record companies just wouldn't have been able to issue

In the end, it doesn't matter if a song is credited to be written by a Mr. Hunt or a Mr. Berry. The only important thing is to be able to listen to that song. To enjoy the music. And to have fun (Oh, here's that bad word again ...  ;) )

We all are looking forward to your reference books but they won't change Jan & Dean's history or their achievements in the history of rock 'n roll

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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jan and Dean Outside Projects Pre 66
« on: February 16, 2014, 12:55:54 AM »
You're a prime example of blind fandom [...] your "fun" and "excitement" as a collector and bootlegger take a back seat to historical accuracy.
So what? You don't seem to remember what music is all about. You're completely lost in historical facts. You are so stubborn within your research that you even start assaulting people who are supposed to buy your future books. As much as I admire the work you put into your books, except the few "blind fans" that are still around and will buy them, they won't be a big seller and they won't change anything because, except the handful of die-hard fans that still hang around on the boards, no-one will care

Unfortunately, that tact and attitude has done little for Jan & Dean
You are completely wrong. Without us, keeping the Jan & Dean name alive back then, no-one would give a damn about Jan & Dean nowadays. I have been in touch with both Jan and Dean (and Jan's dad and Gertie) and I have a lot of letters by them, telling me that they appreciated what we have done

You weren't even around then, so stop judging about us

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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jan and Dean Outside Projects Pre 66
« on: February 15, 2014, 11:38:48 PM »
You are clueless . . . My interview with Arnie Ginsburg took place before the McParland books were even published. Arnie discussed his few later recordings with me; and that's what I go on.

Frank Kisko's acetate came to light subsequently. This kind of stuff is common among collectors and bootleggers. They "speculate" on stuff without doing any research, and it gets spread around. The bootleg liners for "Carnival of Sound" are hilariously inaccurate, for example.

For a while, posted online, there was a bogus disc label image for "Girl, You're Blowing My Mind" showing the songwriter as Pierre Hunt. Not only did Hunt not write the song, but the disc image was "Photoshopped" to look authentic, based on the bogus bootleg liners.

Pierre Hunt was a soul artist who wrote and performed a song called "You're Blowing My Mind," which was released on the Golden Wheels label in 1975. But based on title alone, the bootleggers just ran with him being the writer of Jan's song.  It's mind-boggling.
Who cares???

It used to be fun

Collecting used to be fun

The music used to be fun

Publishing a fanzine (yes, in paper form) and later a website used to be fun

Gathering "facts" used to be fun (and it was only secondary if they were historically 100% on the point)

Everyone was excited, when something new appeared. And the McParlands, the Kiskos, The Kellys, the Plummers, The Bossards, etc all did a great job

And both Jan & Dean supported the whole thing

It was ROCK 'N' ROLL

Nowadays, it's only dry historical facts

Jan & Dean as a musical act are not that important. Jan will never get the recognition he deserves. No-one can change the course of rock 'n' roll history as it is written by now

Enjoy their music. That's all that counts

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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: A Christmas present from 2011
« on: February 12, 2014, 08:39:20 AM »
Jan and Dean the Laurel and Hardy of pop music
Exactly

And that's why I prefer them over the Beach Boys

Their songs were more "pow" than those polished gems of the BB

Jan & Dean songs were a lot more fun than the Beach 5

There always were little "weaknesses" and "slips" in their music

Why?

Jan didn't notice them?
He didn't care?
Maybe Dean's influence was bigger than some people would like to admit?

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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: A Christmas present from 2011
« on: February 12, 2014, 08:33:12 AM »
Just remember Jan was the genius behind Jan and Dean and always will be
Up to April 1966, then things slightly changed

End of story
Wrong

End of Phase 1

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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: A Christmas present from 2011
« on: February 11, 2014, 01:17:37 PM »
All it's been about was the money

The chepo-record companies didn't want to pay good money for the hits, so (part of the original) artists would re-record their hits for them, K-Tel being a good example

Hadn't they done that, the artists wouldn't have been featured on those oldies comps at all. So it is better to have them heard by the buyers than not been on there at all

Those interested in the artists would buy the originals later, just to discover they were a lot better, like a lot of us did

I am not a Dean follower (nor a Jan follower)  I like them as Jan & Dean with all their group- solo- and side-efforts

But people should realise the reason why those rerecordings were there and that they did a good thing in the end

Did anyone from the Phase 2 concert goers say that the gigs were bad, just because the shows were not produced by Jan and did not feature the wrecking crew as a band?

With Papa Doo Run Run, it was basically the team who did those K-Tel versions and people enjoyed it live, to a great success

The re-recordings were nothing but the studio versions of those songs

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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: A Christmas present from 2011
« on: February 11, 2014, 11:05:34 AM »
The original era of J&D is all that matters
Without Phase 2, a lot of the younger fans had not even heard of Jan & Dean and they would have been forgotten, like all those other more or less obscure 50s and 60s acts

I think we should be grateful they had an own (even quite successful) TV movie

I admire all that work that is done now for accuracy, but in the end, except a few handfulls of die-hard fans, nobody will care

The re-recordings hurt rather than helped, as they flooded the market with false advertising, and did little to steer casual fans to the original recordings
It's a good thing that they flooded the market, becaue otherwise, the Jan & Dean name wouldn't have been on the market at all. Now, a lot of younger people know the Jan & Dean name, which they otherwise wouldn't

I know/knew a lot of fans and the majority are/were "Phase 2" fans, who had seen the movie or got introduced to them by those K-Tel songs

Maybe everything would have turned out differently if Jan hadn't had the accident which actually has killed a genius, but it has happened and the consequences couldn't have been reversed

Dean did a brilliant, no- to low-budget record with "Save for a rainy Day" which still is one of my favourite Jan & Dean albums, together with their latter stuff like "Folk 'n Roll". It perfectly captures the sound of the early mid-Sixties sound and is great listening, just to sit there and enjoy the music


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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: A Christmas present from 2011
« on: February 09, 2014, 12:15:55 AM »
Well said, 2dean2

As part of "Jan & Dean", Jan was not important anymore in Phase 2

Actually, there would not have been a Phase 2 without Dean

The TV movie: Even if it was not accurate (and never pretended to be as it was a TV entertainment movie), it triggered the whole thing again and without that, nobody would have taken notice of Jan & Dean anymore

The K-Tel re-recordings: Not as bad as everyone is making them. They found the way on countless comps and oldies best-ofs and kept the name and interest alive. Without them, Jan & Dean just would not have been present on all those releases and sunk into oblivion

The concerts: It was Dean & the Band, with Jan being there. All those tours and successful concerts would not have happend otherwise. To be honest, who cared about Jan & the Alohas?

Further re-recordings: A lot of the stuff on "Silver Summer" or the Legendeary Masked Surfers releases were mighty fine pop songs

I am not putting Jan down as I liked him a lot, but after the accident, the roles within Jan & Dean were (and had to be) reversed

Pinning all the talent and importance solely on Jan is as bad as being one of those Brianistas within the Beach Boys camp (he was important but is not any more)

Give Dean his due and stop putting him down all the time. Without him, Jan & Dean would have ended in April 1966

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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jan & Dean Label
« on: January 07, 2014, 10:27:10 AM »
"Hawaii" and "Tijuana" was the only other release

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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Surf City-where does it rank?
« on: November 29, 2013, 12:47:56 PM »
By the way Surfin Again - are you the guy in Switzerland I once bough Surfin Lungs CDs from?
Yep

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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Surf City-where does it rank?
« on: November 25, 2013, 09:01:23 AM »
... the Barracudas (a band I consider the truest heirs of J&D) ...
The Barracudas were (or still are) great. I've met them a couple of times

Very under-rated, those guys

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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: The Restless Surfer
« on: August 18, 2013, 11:29:44 AM »
"There are other girls,
Other waves to ride"

I guess it should be

"There are other girls,
Other wifes to ride"

 :P ;) ;D

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