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DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Surf City collaboration
« on: August 24, 2019, 02:35:13 PM »
Just for fun. Teaching the youth about Jan and Dean. Lol

« on: July 19, 2019, 05:25:29 AM »
Drag City was a masterpiece! Like you, I hardly ever name that one as my favorite, but I listen to it all the time. Great production!!

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Surf City collaboration
« on: June 20, 2019, 04:06:41 AM »
Thank you Mark! I'd like to make one more point about song writing. I've written a few. None of them went to number 1. lol but there were times when a friend suggested I change a word here and there. The song was already written, musically and lyrically. I don't think a word change constitutes writers credit. Surf City contains over 170 words. If you count the repeated words, it's over 200. If Dean changed a couple of words, that's only 1% of the lyrics. When you count the music, then it's less than .5% of the song. So if Dean indeed made those suggestions, then he can always say he did his small part to help the song have credibility. But does .5% constitute writers credit? I don't think it does. Surf City was written by Jan Berry and Brian Wilson. There was no reason to credit anyone else. Like Mark said, this was determined before the song was released.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Surf City collaboration
« on: June 19, 2019, 04:34:24 AM »
Listening to Dean's interviews, past and present, one can get confused. Dean has said recently that he has no idea what Jan wrote and that he(Dean) wrote more of Surf City than Jan did. In other interviews He's stated that Brian wrote 50%, Jan wrote 35% and he wrote 15%. He's also stated that he has no idea what happened when Jan and Brian met privately, which is probably accurate. The lyrics were written in Brian's handwriting, but that does not mean that Jan wasn't sitting next to him sharing ideas. Brian and Jan have both stated that they were at a piano banging out keys and writing together. So I guess it's hard to figure out exactly what Jan wrote, but I'd assume he contributed significantly. Any thoughts?

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: 1966 concert
« on: April 11, 2019, 04:51:21 AM »
Good points Spazzatron. At the time, Jan & Dean should have been ahead of Sonny and Cher and Mama's if you look at chart success historically. But 1966 was in transition and Jan and Dean were on the wrong end of that. Popsicle was certainly an indication that they still had potential for chart success in 66. I would think a TV show promoting Fan Tan and Hawaii would have put Jan & Dean back in the top 20 or even top 10. Who knows. but judging from their strained relationship at the time, I really don't think they would have lasted much longer anyway.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: 1966 concert
« on: April 10, 2019, 04:16:36 AM »
Ok, I just found it in The Jan and Dean Record. April 5. Apparently, they were touring a lot. They had shows 3 or 4 nights in a row from Missouri to Ohio to Chicago. It was a Batman theme with the Markets.
What a life! Jan must've been miserable. All this and studying for Med School. and the kids were starting to lose interest. This had to be a tough period for Jan.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / 1966 concert
« on: April 09, 2019, 10:20:38 AM »
Someone posted on FB a story that he remembers a concert in April of 66. Jan and Dean with the Markets. He said only 100 people went. That surprises me. I know Jan and Dean were on a down turn right before the accident but they were only a year and a half removed from huge success and had a few top 30s in between. I guess kids had short memories back then

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: fun question about the movie "Christine"
« on: March 19, 2019, 05:04:32 AM »
Fantastic!! Well I guess that answers my question. No doubt about it in my mind. There is a connection to Jan and Arnie(Dean) by using the main characters names as a Jan & Arnie / Jenny Lee reference. Thanks for sharing that Mark!

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / fun question about the movie "Christine"
« on: March 18, 2019, 12:31:14 PM »
I've watched this movie several times. But this weekend it played and I caught something I've never noticed before. For those of you who don't know, Christine is about a car that possesses it's owner. Whenever a 50's song plays, it commences killing someone or whatever. lol

It never plays a Jan and Arnie or Jan & Dean song, but the lead character's name is Arnie and he is dating Leigh (pronounced Lee).

Could that be the director or writers way of including Jan and Arnie (Jenny Lee)???

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jans production
« on: February 27, 2019, 05:00:39 AM »
Damn! How'd I miss that. okay, thanks

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jans production
« on: February 26, 2019, 05:02:15 AM »
I need help. What is (HTC) FAOTW

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jans production
« on: February 21, 2019, 05:30:21 AM »
I think Jan had a reputation for doing it over and over again. With DMC, he went back and re-did the vocals for the hit version. Does that count?
it's funny you should use John Lennon. Hal Blaine said that Lennon used Jan's dual drum method in his recordings.

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Jeanette Get Your Hair Done
« on: February 15, 2019, 06:44:35 AM »
It's really no big deal. Dean always had good ideas and a great sense of humor. The reason I was curious is because I just recently realized that this was written during the Jan & Arnie phase. When you really listen, it sounds like a Jan & Arnie song(except for Dean's vocal of course) Listening to that 8 minute video really shows how talented Jan was very early on. For people to discredit his writing ability shows their ignorance of all the early songs he wrote before Surf City.

I guess Jan wanted to include Dean as writer in the beginning so it would be like he and Arnie. I'm sure Dean shared ideas and Jan credited him. But eventually, Jan attached himself to songwriters like Don, Artie, Brian, Roger, etc. Jan always gave credit to songwriters. He was very generous with that. Maybe to the point of diminishing his own songwriting legacy. But I digress lol

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Jeanette Get Your Hair Done
« on: February 13, 2019, 06:33:26 AM »
Another question and attempt to keep this board active. LOL In the video below, Jan Berry has clearly written Jeanette in 1958 for (I would assume) Jan and Arnie. It appears that Jan pretty much had this thing written before Dean came into the picture. So why did Dean get writers credit?

DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT / Re: Clementine
« on: February 05, 2019, 11:19:21 AM »
Thanks Mark. I just noticed that Bobby Darin's version(which does not resemble Jan and Dean's) was credited to Woody Harris as writer.

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