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JAN & DEAN => DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT => Topic started by: scooby1970 on February 02, 2010, 08:03:04 AM

Title: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: scooby1970 on February 02, 2010, 08:03:04 AM
What do you fans think of Dean's 1977 recordings of 6 of Jan & Dean's hits, plus 4 Beach Boys songs (recorded I presume because Jan & Dean sang these songs in live performances?) - ok, "Little Deuce Coupe" is also a Jan & Dean track, but you get what I mean.

The thing is, if you think about it, most casual music buyers only ever hear these versions. During the 80's and 90's these were nearly the only versions available to casual fans, and were repackaged endlessley. Even today the number of compilations with these mixes is mind-blowing!

Taking that into concideration, are you happy that to a heck of a lot of people, these songs ARE Jan & Dean? I've been flicking through a few mates record collections, and talking to a few people again, and the nearly all only have these versions (I know, because they always mention "Fun Fun Fun", "I Get Around"or  "Help Me Rhonda" when I ask about what songs are on them).

Personally, I quite like a few of the tracks. "I Get Around" I think is well recorded, as is "LIttle Old Lady" and "Dead Man's Curve", but I do think that these tracks may have harmed Jan & Dean's presence as too many people only know these recordings.

:) Mark
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: jdman on February 02, 2010, 10:01:25 AM
I hate them. People think their music is fluffy because of those recordings. I wish Dean would have never done that. I'm not saying the sound is horrible.I just think the original recordings should be used always. Those recordings are not Jan & Dean. If the label says Dean Torrence or some other band name, then it's OK. But it hurts Jan & Dean's legacy for people to think those are original J&D songs.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: David Beard on February 02, 2010, 11:20:18 AM
I have two thoughts on this:
1) I agree that the rerecordings hurt the original material. The reason this happened in the late 1970s was because — to some degree, shape or form — the people making the "Deadman's Curve" TV movie couldn't get the rights to use the original stuff (let alone the ability to use Arnie Ginsburg's name), so Dean went and rerecorded the material. Of those songs, Dean's versions of "Teenager In Love," "Rhythm Of The Rain" and "I Only Have Eyes For You" were great!

2) Had it not been for the TV movie, the second coming of J&D would probably have never happened.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: scooby1970 on February 02, 2010, 11:41:39 AM
Of those songs, Dean's versions of "Teenager In Love," "Rhythm Of The Rain" and "I Only Have Eyes For You" were great!

But those songs are never on the collections of the 1977 re-recordings, so casual buyers usually just hear Surf City, Drag City, Little Old Lady, Ride The Wild Surf, Dead Man's Curve and Sidewalk Surfin' (plus Little Deuce Coupe, I Get Around, Fun Fun Fun and Little Honda).

As said by jdman, they are "fluffy" in the main, and no-where near the original sound. It's great they were made for the movie, but not so great they are so accessible to casual music buyers.

:) Mark
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Mark A. Moore on February 02, 2010, 11:44:51 AM
"I Only Have Eyes For You" is in the film. (It's playing on the radio when Jan & Dean are in the car with their girls) . . .

But in terms of actual Jan & Dean material, they ended up using the original recordings for the movie. And the subsequent K-Tel mass marketing of the re-recordings, especially promoting them as Jan & Dean, was a terrible mistake.

When I went out to buy Jan & Dean material after the movie aired in the late '70s, these re-recordings were readily available. Six of them were on a mail-order Columbia compilation called "Surf & Drag" in '78. Then K-Tel put them out beginning in '79.

And like the "Surf & Drag" comp, K-Tel's "Jan & Dean Story" (with the re-recordings) was advertised on national television. So there was a concerted effort to spread those re-recordings far and wide.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: surferbee on February 02, 2010, 11:59:21 AM
My understanding was that although Dean did rerecord some songs for the movie there was also an album of Jan and Dean and Beach Boys songs recorded for KTel. There are hundreds of sixties / seventies compilations or hits packages that are rerecorded (by at least one of the original artists.) I understand that the original idea for a DMC soundtrack made sense but it remains a huge disappointment that the licence holders of the originals did not exploit the success of the movie with an 'original' hits package.
The saddest thing for me is that if you go on ITunes or Amazon the rerecorded versions are not distinguishable from the originals - the art work doesn't help. You also get people interested in sixties or surf / summer music buying compilations and hearing this stuff alongside BB originals - no wonder Jan and Dean's reputations are questioned by some.
When compared side by side  - what is confirmed is the brilliance, complexity and depth of Jan's arrangements and productions. The KTels were too obviously made too quickly and too cheaply.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Mark A. Moore on February 02, 2010, 03:15:12 PM
In 1979, Capitol-EMI released "A Liberty Re-Issue" called Deadman's Curve (spelled like the movie), which featured original recordings.

It's just that the re-recording blitz obscured and confused everything, at the time.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Kentucky Surfer on February 02, 2010, 06:15:55 PM
The word I use for the 1977 re-recordings is "chirpy".  It is missing a voice in a lower register to fill out the background vocals.  Hmmm...who would THAT be?

I can do without the re-recordings of the hits.

 However, I really liked the new recordings of the fifties songs on the original LP.  "I Only Have Eyes For You" is outstanding.  I may be mistaken, but it sounds to me like Jan is singing on this!
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: jdman on February 02, 2010, 07:07:10 PM
You're right Mark.I had the Deadman's Curve album with the original hits. I also had Anthology. Those two were available after the movie along with greatest hits volume 1 and 2. So it wasn't all re-recordings,but like you said, there were a lot of them. I remember buying an album and hearing the re-recorded songs and just being bummed out. I started collecting nothing but originals shortly after. I have everything from Dore on through Save for a Rainy Day, including Pop Symphony. Collecting the originals was my only guarantee against buying more re-recordings.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Mark A. Moore on February 02, 2010, 08:06:52 PM
The only problem I have with the re-recordings . . . 1977 and later . . . is them being marketed as Jan & Dean. There's simply no way to justify it.

Save For A Rainy Day and Carnival of Sound were special cases with regard to legacy and timing, in terms of using the name "Jan & Dean." And in those cases, Screen Gems (who controlled the name) killed the former, and forced the name issue on the latter. But Screen Gems was out of the picture after August 1968.

In the '70s, Jan's solo recordings did not use the name "Jan & Dean."

Somebody on Jan's end was asleep at the wheel — big time — to allow Dean's re-recordings to be issued under the name "Jan & Dean."
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: owen on February 02, 2010, 11:00:57 PM
So what is the score with Silver Summer then?

This is an album of re-recordings that claims to feature Jan, who must therefore have approved it. It isn't produced by him though, and if his voice is present then it is not featured at all prominently.

The album isn't a cheap knock off because it is housed in that iconic Norman Seef photograph that was (I believe) taken specifically for the album, although Dean subsequently reused it.

And (to complicate things further) Silver Summer contains a re-recording of Like A Summer Rain that is IMHO far superior to the original - and one of Dean's best ever vocals!

And to complicate things even further most of the tracks were themselves reissued later as Jan & Dean's Golden Summer by the Legendary Masked Surfers....
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: scooby1970 on February 03, 2010, 12:34:17 AM
"Silver Summer" is a whole other ball-game, and sadly these recordings seem to be spreading as much as the ten 10 1977 re-recordings. Again, I think quite a few casual music fans only have these recordings. So with the '77 re-recordings and the Silver Summer versions, there's a huge chunk of the casual buying public who do not have any original recordings.

For me, "Silver Summer" has always been seen as an attempt to make Jan & Dean sound even more like The Beach Boys. Mike Love is prominant on there and the whole sound is similar to what The Beach Boys were doing live at the time. I remember coming home from one of my first Beach Boys concerts and then listening to Silver Summer and was shocked at how similar the sound was.

Even doing searches now on various music sites, most of the CDs are just compilations of these two remakes. And even worse, listening to Jan & Dean on sites that let you stream music don't distinguish between the very few original tracks and the re-recordings.

:) Mark
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 1Jay1 on February 04, 2010, 10:10:53 AM
Everybody if you have the Jan and dean story on K-tel you'll all understand why its called a jan and dean Lp,as it says in 1977 dean returned to the recording studio to rerecord 10 Classic jan and dean songs which are on side 1,and on side 2 we have jan and dean from the dore period,and thats why its called a jan and dean Lp as there are original songs on Side 2,unless people have an album with the Ktel with deans songs on there own
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Mark A. Moore on February 04, 2010, 11:35:36 AM
There are plenty of releases (K-Tel and others) billed as "Jan & Dean" that feature only the re-recordings.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: burton on February 04, 2010, 01:31:24 PM
Somebody on Jan's end was asleep at the wheel — big time — to allow Dean's re-recordings to be issued under the name "Jan & Dean."

Hey Mark, Do you think it was just a case of take the money and run from jan's end. Perhaps he got money just for his name not really seeing the damage it could do in the future. I agree the re's are crap with a capital  "C". But also he may have not made nothing off of it either. Just wondering.....
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Mark A. Moore on February 04, 2010, 05:40:31 PM
It doesn't matter whether Jan made money or not. It was a huge mistake, regardless.

Jan didn't like the re-recordings. But that shouldn't be a surprise. He couldn't even stand the re-mixes of his original productions.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 2dean2 on February 05, 2010, 01:14:53 PM
My take on the remakes is that they were all right but not as good as the original . However is it possible Dean wanted an updated sound? A new twist on them ? Dont change too much but this is what' s and who's [M love] selling now? It's been said he should'nt have used Jan's name. Maybe Mark can tell us if Jan ever gave his opinion on this matter. Also lets say he did'nt and just called it Dean Torrence. Would we be saying he should'nt have left Jan's name off ???? My understanding it was for DMC then they used the orig's . Could it be so much time and money was spent the "suits" said we want that out and it's gonna be called Jan & Dean to cash in on the new found fame for our two boy's ?
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: burton on February 09, 2010, 02:01:22 AM
Mark,

I mean perhaps JAN needed the money to record more music or just needed it for whatever. I'm thinkin jan's thought's were not at that time thinking about his original productions being buried by these 77 recordings. Who would think back then that this would happen. Maybe Al Gore but that's it....
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: David Beard on February 09, 2010, 10:28:42 AM
It doesn't matter whether Jan made money or not. It was a huge mistake, regardless.

Jan didn't like the re-recordings. But that shouldn't be a surprise. He couldn't even stand the re-mixes of his original productions.

Really? Then why was there "Tijuana" and "Skateboard Surfin' USA"?
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Mark A. Moore on February 09, 2010, 11:38:03 AM
Well again, it's the name issue, with regard to the cover versions.

"Skateboard Surfin' USA" ("Sidewalk Surfin'" with altered lyrics) was not issued as "Jan & Dean." It was issued as a Jan Berry solo record. Thus, it's held to a different standard.

"Tijuana" -- the"Little Old Lady" track and melody with different lyrics -- was a throw-away cut that served no valuable purpose, other than to give Jan a misquided quick and easy fourth side for his two illicit singles in '67. And Jan promptly got busted by Screen Gems for using the '64 track illegally. That was the end of that . . . or should have been.

When Warner Bros. bought the masters for those three crucial new sides from the "Jan & Dean Label" 45s, they did not purchase "Tijuana."

And for the Carnival of Sound album, "Tijuana" was not included on either of Jan's 10-track or 12-track acetate versions of the album.

I argued against the inclusion of "Tijuana" on the forthcoming release. But Andrew Sandoval and Rhino Handmade wanted it on there (because Jan produced the vocal sessions for it during that period). So they actually had to license "Little Old Lady" from EMI, just to be able to use "Tijuana."

M.

Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Doc Smiley on February 09, 2010, 03:24:35 PM
"Tijuana" is a classic example of what makes Jan & Dean so great... a throwaway yes.. but so much fun!
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: David Beard on February 11, 2010, 01:04:45 PM
I disagree on the different standard. Dean, like Mike Love, is about capitalizing on marketability. So I suppose he's guilty of that…

Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 1Jay1 on February 15, 2010, 02:58:08 AM
I thought skateboard surfin usa was jan saying to dean that the rerecorded version of sidewalk surfin that jan voice was taken off(1975 which had minor success and deans put inplace over the original from 1964,was not good at all,and he recorded his own version,which dean did sing on
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: scooby1970 on February 22, 2010, 04:01:17 AM
When I was a youngster, still unaware of the real Jan & Dean sound, I used to have a collection called "Surfin' USA" which was released on the pickwick label and had 9 of the '77 recordings (it missed "Sidewalk Surfin'" plus 3 Beach Boys songs (the 1962 Hite Morgan recordings of Surfin' Surfin' Safari and Surfer Girl) plus The Hondells "Little Honda" (re-recording) and "Wipeout" and "Pipeline" by Surfaris/Chantays.

I used to play the LP all the time, I wore it out and then bought it on cassette. I also wore that out, and shortly after discovered the "real" J&D sound. I recently made a CD version of the album, with the original front cover and everything, so now this is my almost exclusive listen to those '77 recordings.

:) Mark
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 1Jay1 on February 25, 2010, 01:05:02 PM
scooby this brings back memories,as that was one of my first jan and dean album,and yes i loved it at the time but then i got to learn the original dore, Liberty,

I still play this from time to time,my first jan and dean Album was the Jan and dean story,and my first single was Surf city/she my summer girl,and at the time i loved shes my summer time and had an old record player that kept playing it over and over again,later i learned what was on the Other side,

Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: surferbee on March 01, 2010, 05:24:41 AM
One aspect missing from this discussion is that however inferior the remakes; to quote: 'the song remains the same.' Let us not forget that we are dealing with some very strong songs here. Although I always prefer Jan's productions it is always interesting to hear other versions. I am glad, for example, that Surf City and Little Old Lady are in the Beach Boys repertoire - although I wish they would acknowledge Jan and Dean.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: jdman on March 01, 2010, 06:45:55 AM
I agree Surferbee.It's always good to hear other versions. I just wish those other versions were not credited to Jan & Dean. Dean's versions are good if they were credited to Dean Torrence or Papa Do run run, but not Jan & Dean.
I love the Ramones' version of Surf City and Blink 182 doing Dead Man's Curve.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: owen on March 01, 2010, 11:43:06 PM
I think the situation regarding the credits for the 1977 - and later - rerecordings is more complex than many are suggesting. In fact, I suspect that nothing that Dean could have done would have been "right" from the perspective of the J&D lagacy.

The situation as I read it is that he used the J&D name on the remakes and this has allegedly confused casual fans and the public at large, who now (in many cases) think the remakes are the originals. Well, in my view, at least this gives them a fairly straight line back to the originals, which they can take if they are at all interested or curious.

What would the alternative have been though? Perhaps Dean could have run with the Legendary Masked Surfers brand name and released all the rerecordings as LMS discs. (In fact he has actually done this at least once. Silver Summer was reissued in a slightly modified form as an LMS cd entitled "Jan and Dean's Golden Summer").

If Dean had decided to do this then the situation would conceivably have been even worse for the J&D legacy. Confused casual fans, and the public at large, would now (in many cases) think the Legendary Masked Surfer records were the originals, and wonder who the hell this Jan and Dean are that a few people keep talking about.

In this case there would be no direct line for casual fans back to the originals, and Dean would be seen today as the leader and lead vocalist of "Mike Love's other surf band", the one that also included Bruce & Terry and Brian Wilson from time to time.

Would this really be any better?
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: AlJolson59 on March 13, 2010, 09:15:00 AM
I'd like to try and clear up some things here...
The 1975 Sidewalk Surfin' redux by Dean did not 'intentionally" leave Jan's voice off.  Skateboards were exploding, particularly in California - and surf music was in the middle of a major comeback.  Dean felt it was the perfect time to re-issue SS with updated lyrics featuring skateboarding slang from the mid 70s instead of mid sixties.  United Artists agreed to release a single - but then refused national promotion money.  Despite all this the song was still number one in various California radio markets.  In 1978 Jan was preparing his disco remake of SSUSA... he needed a falsetto singer and called Dean for Brian Wilson's phone number.  Dean asked why... when Jan explained what he was doing Dean volunteered to sing the part himself.

The 1977 Remakes...
There are three sets of masters as far as I can recall from the mists of time.  The KTEL masters were among the early recordings.  In late 77/early 78 Dean prepared a new set of recordings for a DMC soundtrack LP to be distributed by RSO.  The LP included DMC, Sidewalk Surfin, Little Deuce Coupe, Little Old Lady, Surf City, Teenager in Love, One Summer Night, Get A Job, I Only Have Eyes for You, Barbara Ann (an uptempo version with a track like the 1962 recording but heavily overdubbed - and a "Thank you Carl" nod to Carl Wilson at the end), Pipeline and Wipeout.  Many of the tracks were actually in the body of the film.  The J&D remakes were actually great sounding, with the addition of brass and instrumental sweetening which made them sound big and bold, like the original recordings.  Apparently, at one point, the filmmakers were considering using these new remakes in the film instead of the Liberty masters.  The only time I saw this collection surface was on a vinyl LP from Australia.  I've never seen these tracks surface on CD comps.  There are versions of the 50s remakes from the film on CD - but not the final, lush mixes included on this vinyl release.  Teenager In Love and I Only Have Eyes for You are particularly powerful.  Apparently the RSO release fell apart over a disagreement over who would retain Japanese rights... a lucrative territory.  UA's entire controibution was a re-issue of the Anthology album later that year with a tiny little yellow sticker reminding buyers of the Deadman's Curve film.
The third set of masters was a new Deadman's Curve soundtrack scheduled for release on Mike Nesmith's Pacific Arts label.  These were newly recorded tracks (in 1978) featuring Dean with members of Papa Doo Run Run and Mike Love with members of Celebration.  I think Ron Altbach was involved in production... all of these tracks were newly recorded... the "phone" version of DMC... the legendary bluegrass version of Jennie Lee which featured Jan Berry... etc.  This also remained unreleased although many of the tracks ended up remixed and augmented on Silver Summer.  And the original 1978 mixdown has popped up on various CD comps.  And that's what I remember from those heady days in the fall of 1978... I remember Mike Love and Bruce Johnston talking about producing a Jan Berry solo album that fall as well... so us fans figured we were about to be hit with all sorts of new stuff.  And then none of it ever came out...
 
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Kann on April 26, 2014, 01:01:55 PM
Does anyone know what is the best CD or CDs to get  most of the Dean 1977 version's. I know there are some out there but don't know what ones actually have the classic versions or Deans version. Thanks
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Mike1965 on April 26, 2014, 03:51:06 PM
Good old, "Surf and Drag"!  As a second generation Jan & Dean fan I purchased it thanks to my mom giving me her credit card number when I was 13 after seeing it offered in a TV commercial.  I thought the record was flaky at the time.  Then I got a copy of "Anthology" which was better but the live section was not great either.  As a second generation fan the records were slim pickings.  Found a copy of "Surf City and Other Swinging City's" at the Good Will a little later but remember there was no EBAY back then and it was hard to find albums.  Now of course I have every single one and an additional collection of never opened albums in the shrink wrap.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: BlackSea on April 27, 2014, 07:54:18 AM
Kann I think Aljolson59's entry on this topic is the most accurate. Some of the tracks are done really well. See 1Wally1's post Jan and Dean Story Dean Torrence Music Phase 2, for photos of the album.
In Australia Jan and Dean were virtually forgotten by the 70s. That would have been the case for the future without the telemovie and the Ktel release. The album was advertised heavy prior to anf after the airing of the movie. You couldnt avoid it even if you wanted to. At the time when they had 100s of mainstream record stores there was not one Jan and Dean Lp on thr shelves. The Ktel album sold well out of mainstream music stores.After its run J and Ds record company saw the potential and marketability and released the Golden Hits volume 2 as The Very Best Of Jan and Dean, Green border cover with Ride the wild surf lp photo of j and d. The album was mass produced and stayed on the shelves of all record stores. You could even pick it up at the supermarket. Once vinyl ended same story mass produced on cd up until the 2000s. 20 year release readily availble long after the 3 month Ktel run on tv.
Both the movie and the ktel album served a great purpose for J and D. At the time I'd never hear any teenagers talking about a sixties act other than the Beatles. Both products served a purpose teens in my school anyway thought Jan and Dean were cool and it was the sound to be into at the time.
They were great times the teenagers knew who Jan and Dean were.
Ive always liked the rerecordings. I think they put some effort into em.
Flaky, I strongly disagree.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 1WALLY1 on April 27, 2014, 09:10:34 AM
Lets face it people Deans tireless efforts back then put Jan and Dean back on the map and saved us from buying Duran Duran and Culture Club records.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: BlackSea on April 27, 2014, 09:51:13 AM
Deans tireless efforts back then put Jan and Dean back on the map and saved us from buying Duran Duran and Culture Club records.
Exactly big savings on not having to buy makeup and not having the possibility of turning gay.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 1WALLY1 on April 27, 2014, 10:07:50 AM
hahaha I dont know about that last one Ive seen some of the Hawaiian shirts you wear
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: BlackSea on April 27, 2014, 10:22:42 PM
Yeah thanks dude.
The movie aired during the summer holidays around December 1979 in Australia. The ktel Jan and Dean Story Album came out just prior to the airing.
Stephen McParland appeared on a highly popular tv show in early 1980 something called Simon Townsens Wonder World promoting the surf music genre. The interview I think was done at his house. Amazing stuff his walls were plastered  with surf and drag vinyl. During the interview he gave Jan and Dean a big wrap and shortly after the Very best of Jan and Dean Lp hit the stores.
Until next time
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: jdman on April 28, 2014, 05:39:10 AM
Lets face it people Deans tireless efforts back then put Jan and Dean back on the map and saved us from buying Duran Duran and Culture Club records.

I would agree with this. The remakes served a purpose at first. Dean did a great job with them and the movie to get the Jan & Dean name back out. But I just don't see a purpose to them anymore. In fact, once the Anthology and 1979 DMC Album were released again, I don't think I ever listened to the remakes again.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 1WALLY1 on April 28, 2014, 09:44:30 AM
Jdman I dont think it really matters. If people become interested in Jan and Dean from whatevet recording, theyll work it out if they decide they want to hear more. Besides now theres budget cds with the originals.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 1WALLY1 on April 28, 2014, 10:24:41 AM
I really dont think people buy cds anymore. Everythings downloaded from free sites. All those Jan and Dean rarities we would knock ourselves out getting in th 80s and 90s can be downloaded from the interner one click of a button and youve got 15 cds worth of Jan and Dean  rarities outakes backing tracks. I really dont think the teenagers nowdays care about how they get there music these days. Theyre not conxerned about neat covers or quality. Nearly everythings readily available, youtube free download sites, bootleg zones.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: jdman on April 28, 2014, 10:35:30 AM
Jdman I dont think it really matters. If people become interested in Jan and Dean from whatevet recording, theyll work it out if they decide they want to hear more. Besides now theres budget cds with the originals.

Exactly Wally, they'll work it out if they want to hear more. But don't you think they are more likely to want more if they heard the originals? I do.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 1WALLY1 on April 28, 2014, 10:44:16 AM
The originals are by far the better. These things are hard to control once theyre out. But its the case for nearly all the artists from the past.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: jdman on April 28, 2014, 11:09:44 AM
That is VERY true. All the oldies artists did the same. Comparatively, Dean did well.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Actorman on April 28, 2014, 12:04:33 PM
Deans tireless efforts back then put Jan and Dean back on the map and saved us from buying Duran Duran and Culture Club records.
Exactly big savings on not having to buy makeup and not having the possibility of turning gay.

Yeah, because Jan and Dean couldn't possibly have any gay fans.  Oh wait... I'm one.

Grow up, dude.  It's 2014.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: BlackSea on April 28, 2014, 12:20:12 PM
Settle down dude. It was only a joke. No need to get hostile. Get yourself a Hawaiian shirt and cheer up.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 1WALLY1 on April 28, 2014, 12:45:53 PM
Now you've done it Blacksea you've upset somone on the forum. I was wondering how long it would take before someone took offence. Just for the record actorman I was referring to the music nothing else.
Blacksea at least you didnt come back with the line "some of my best friends are gay"
Actorman I can assure you Blacksea isnt homophobic.
He wears Hawaiian shirts in public and grew up in the gay area of Sydney a suburb called Newtown.
But if you want to come back at him go for it, hes a bit of head swell hahaha.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: BlackSea on April 28, 2014, 05:07:57 PM
Now you've done it Blacksea you've upset somone on the forum. I was wondering how long it would take before someone took offence. Just for the record actorman I was referring to the music nothing else.
Blacksea at least you didnt come back with the line "some of my best friends are gay"
Actorman I can assure you Blacksea isnt homophobic.
He wears Hawaiian shirts in public and grew up in the gay area of Sydney a suburb called Newtown.
But if you want to come back at him go for it, hes a bit of head swell hahaha.


Newtown, the cosmopolitan district of Sydney similar to Greenwich Village New York.
Head swell hey. 1WALLY1 on the other hand originates from the redneck part of town,
beach suburb Maroubra. Well known for turf wars between anglo saxon surfers and the rest of the population. And yes Wally's one of them. If you dont wear the right threads or look like asurfer youre on the outer.
Wally get yourself a decent Hawaiian shirt and keep that sun tan lotion on your neck hahaha.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Mike1965 on April 28, 2014, 06:58:48 PM
We all have our opinions.  Mine is that Surf and Drag was horrible! I felt very ripped off by it when I was 13 years old.  We can disagree, Jan wouldn't care.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 1WALLY1 on April 28, 2014, 07:01:20 PM
Man I'm tired of hearing/talking about these rerecordings, were going around in circles. I'm off to do some surfin and listening to Jan and Dean. I'll tune in same time next year. Blacksea I'll keep in touch anything new comes in I'll let you know. If you wanna come to Maroubra Beach for some surfin let me know I'll be your personal body guard. My redneck cohorts wont give you a hard time as long as I'm around, haha.
Cheers Guys
Keep on listening to Jan and Dean
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: jdman on April 28, 2014, 07:04:39 PM
We all have our opinions.  Mine is that Surf and Drag was horrible! I felt very ripped off by it when I was 13 years old.  We can disagree, Jan wouldn't care.

Mike, I agree. At the time, I felt the sound wasn't the same as what I heard in the movie, but it was still ok. After I bought Anthology, I put Surf and Drag up for good.
Wally, you make a good point too. Jan & Dean rock! (especially the originals lol)
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: BlackSea on April 28, 2014, 07:36:45 PM
Man I'm tired of hearing/talking about these rerecordings, were going around in circles. I'm off to do some surfin and listening to Jan and Dean. I'll tune in same time next year. Blacksea I'll keep in touch anything new comes in I'll let you know. If you wanna come to Maroubra Beach for some surfin let me know I'll be your personal body guard. My redneck cohorts wont give you a hard time as long as I'm around, haha.
Cheers Guys
Keep on listening to Jan and Dean


I think you got a point there Wally I might follow.
Kann hope you sort out the rerecordings but what ever you do stay away from the Mike and Dean tracks theyre not good for your health lol.
Good luck.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Kann on April 28, 2014, 10:16:21 PM
One more question until we can let this post die for another few years. Does any one have a list of the songs Dean rerecorded durin the mid late 70s.

 I know of ten but know he did quite a few songs that were not jan and dean or beach boys.

1. Surf City
2. Dead Man's Curve
3. Ride the Wild Surf
4. Rhonda Help Me
5. Little Duece Coupe
6. Fun, Fun Fun
7. I Get Around
8. Sidewalk Surfin'
9. Drag City
10. The Little Old Lady from Pasadena
11.

I know there are more to add to the list.

Thanks for any more help!
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 2dean2 on April 29, 2014, 11:14:17 AM
It's my understanding that Dean did the remakes for the movie that was coming up. As they did'nt think they could use the original tracks. So if you've spent the money. put in the time and effort as he did with S4ARDay . Why would'nt you put it out ?
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Garneau Mike Woonsocket on May 20, 2014, 05:56:24 PM
I don't care much for the K-Tel releases. I prefer the original recordings.
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: Moon Dawg on May 27, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
  I once bought a Jan & Dean album that may have consisted of these remakes. A few bars in and it felt like I'd been had. Not that the remakes were awful but accept no substitute for the original classics.

  Similarly, avoid the Mercury records album Chuck Berry's Golden Hits. (Featuring "Club Nitty Gritty")
Title: Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
Post by: 1Jay1 on November 28, 2014, 10:58:15 AM
In 1979, Capitol-EMI released "A Liberty Re-Issue" called Deadman's Curve (spelled like the movie), which featured original recordings.

It's just that the re-recording blitz obscured and confused everything, at the time.

This is another Lp I m looking for my collection,I wonder if anyone can help