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JAN & DEAN => DON'T YOU JUST KNOW IT => Topic started by: sweetdudejim on March 31, 2013, 04:09:39 PM

Title: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: sweetdudejim on March 31, 2013, 04:09:39 PM
Hey everybody, I was interested in what exactly the Silver Summer album is. I've seen it listed online, but I've also heard that Jan isn't on most of it. Well anyways, is he on any of the songs? And if so, which ones?

And also, he does fully participate on One Summer Night/Live, right? I haven't heard that one at all, and I was wondering.

By the way, I'm new here! So hey everybody.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: Mark A. Moore on March 31, 2013, 10:31:52 PM

Jan fully participated on One Summer Night / Live.

But Silver Summer was another matter entirely. It was false advertising, and Jan did not participate.

A contract with Silver Eagle Records (of Palm Springs) was drawn up in July 1985. In November, Jan's father and conservator got wind of it, and demanded answers from Silver Eagle. They acknowledged that Jan did not participate (despite the false advertising), but insisted that Jan was set to get a royalty larger than anyone who participated  . . . except Dean.

A copy of the contract was finally delivered to Bill Berry by Dean during the Christmas season. Jan had never signed the agreement.

In February 1986, Berry's lawyers informed Silver Eagle that the album had been released without Jan's consent, and that the label didn't have the right to release it. No authorization for the use of Jan's name and likeness was given. The attorney's office also explained that performances were attributed to "Jan" that were not his, and that said recordings were "damaging" to him.

Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: sweetdudejim on April 01, 2013, 07:45:57 PM
Wow. Well that's pretty interesting. So that's why its not listed in the discography on this site.

It's odd though, I coulda swore somebody said that Jan was on a few songs on Silver Summer. I'm taking your word for it. I cancelled my order of it because of that.

While were at it, I'd like to ask about the other re-recordings, along with Silver Summer...how was Dean able to put these recordings out as "Jan & Dean" if Jan wasn't for it? Also, who else was involved with the re-recordings from the late '70s that are all around these days? Like who did Jan's parts?

Sorry if these are stupid questions, still trying to get a grip on this stuff.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: Mark A. Moore on April 01, 2013, 09:14:06 PM
It's not about taking my word for it . . . I'm citing actual legal correspondence from the period. And I have a copy of the 1985 contract.

Dean's 1977 re-recordings were made with Papa Doo Run Run . . . the band that backed them live when they returned to touring in the late '70s. Members of Papa also appeared in the Jan & Dean film biography Deadman's Curve in 1978.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: Mark A. Moore on April 01, 2013, 09:19:05 PM
I coulda swore somebody said that Jan was on a few songs on Silver Summer.

Not surprising . . . the album credited Jan as both a producer and a vocalist.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: owen on April 01, 2013, 10:28:25 PM
Most of the album was later released (rather more honestly) as Jan & Dean's Golden Summer by The Legendary Masked Surfers.

One of the sad things about all this is that the album contains what I think is the best recording Dean ever made of one of the best songs he ever recorded: Like A Summer Rain. The version here is much better than the one on Save For A Rainy Day: not just the production but the vocals too.

Cheers
Owen
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: sweetdudejim on April 06, 2013, 08:44:11 PM
When was the Silver Summer material recorded Mark? And why wasn't Dean bothered to get Jan to participate? It seems like he figured he could get Mike Love for a "Jan and Dean" album, so why not, say...JAN?!?
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: sweetdudejim on April 23, 2013, 10:05:29 PM
Also Mark (or anybody else who can help), I read somewhere that Jan actually DOES appear on the version of "Barbara Ann" done for Silver Summer? Also, if he was so against the album, why did he appear with Dean in the commercial to help sell it?
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: sweetdudejim on August 13, 2013, 07:48:38 PM
Sorry to dredge this old topic up, but I thought it was interesting. Does anybody know why, if Jan was so against Silver Summer, he would be in a commercial promoting the album? Just his sense of brotherhood with Dean maybe?

And as far as Jan on "Barbara Ann", I read that in the Passmore book, but I sure don't hear him on there.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: Mark A. Moore on August 13, 2013, 11:04:05 PM
Sorry to dredge this old topic up, but I thought it was interesting. Does anybody know why, if Jan was so against Silver Summer, he would be in a commercial promoting the album? Just his sense of brotherhood with Dean maybe?

And as far as Jan on "Barbara Ann", I read that in the Passmore book, but I sure don't hear him on there.

It's called bullshitting the public for the purpose of making money. Going with the flow.

I've said all this before, but Silver Eagle's attorneys admitted that Jan was not on the record. It was bogus advertising, in terms of crediting Jan as a producer, etc.

It was only after the pre-accident JB/J&D Screen Gems contracts came to an end in 1968 that Dean was finally able to take advantage of Jan's condition and do his own thing,  using the J&D name.

It was payback time . . . You have to understand, Screen Gems had legally killed all of Dean's post-accident label and recording endeavors in 1966 and 1967. They busted Dean so hard he had to come up with a new band name for "Vegetables" . . . because Screen Gems would not let him use the J&D name.

After 1968, it was a free-for-all . . . They both worked on their own projects, coming together occasionally for a few tracks. But largely separate.

So in 1977, Dean began a long string of re-recordings and marketed them as Jan & Dean. The movie came out in 1978, and J&D were suddenly relevant again, nationally.

But both Jan and Dean would have been better served to have those re-recordings marketed as Dean and his band(s) singing the hits of Jan & Dean.

In the '50s and '60s, there were contractual successions from Joe Lubin, to Lou Adler, to Jan Berry in terms of official production. No matter the production, the name was Jan & Dean.

Unfortunately for Dean, it didn't work both ways.




Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: sweetdudejim on August 14, 2013, 02:16:56 PM
Wow. I hate to be mean about this, but what an asshole move by Dean.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: 2dean2 on August 14, 2013, 07:30:46 PM
You know if you think about it . Jan was the first to do it to Dean. Dean "Hey Jan are we gonna overdub the Falsetto on Surf City today "? Jan "No you did it yesterday ".  Dean " Oh ! How'd I sound " ? Jan Good real good". It was Jan & Dean without Dean so why would'nt it be Jan & Dean with out Jan ?
Forget the legal Smeagle stuff.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: Mark A. Moore on August 14, 2013, 10:11:47 PM
You know if you think about it . Jan was the first to do it to Dean. Dean "Hey Jan are we gonna overdub the Falsetto on Surf City today "? Jan "No you did it yesterday ".  Dean " Oh ! How'd I sound " ? Jan Good real good". It was Jan & Dean without Dean so why would'nt it be Jan & Dean with out Jan ?
Forget the legal Smeagle stuff.

The original era is what matters . . . the hit-making years that made them famous. Phase II was strictly a money-making operation, the Nostalgia circuit as an oldies act. An era that Jan very much needed.

The re-recordings by Dean during Phase II, marketed as J&D, did not enhance the original famous recordings. They diminished and took the focus away from the original hits . . . and ALL of the originals in general. Those recordings remain pervasive online, marketed as J&D. Thus the uninitiated hear that stuff, and many are fooled into thinking they're listening to the famous hits. Even worse, Internet "radio" jocks often don't know the difference . . . and the same goes for newbie critics.

And it's not really about one person vs. the other. If the roles were reversed, I would be saying exactly the same thing about Jan now.

And NONE of this takes away from Dean's crucial contributions to the original era.

It remains, however, a very unfortunate situation.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: burton on August 15, 2013, 07:39:49 PM
It SO sad to hear Dean's remakes of the original hits. Total Shit. and people think that stuff is Jan's productions. I listen to internet radio and hear those remakes and it makes me sick. Thank the higher powers they used the originals hits in the Deadmans Curve movie. That could have really screwed things up even worse then it is now. You can listen to the originals in different stereo mixes and mono and the surf to drag mixes and its awesome to listen to. I listen to deans remakes and I want to run into a brick wall. just my opinion. b
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: jdman on August 16, 2013, 04:43:09 AM
Like Mark said, Dean was huge in Phase I. Obviously, he was Dean of Jan & Dean. But those remakes confuse everyone and they just aren't as good as the original. But they aren't bad either if it's not credited to Jan & Dean. That's what's bad-saying those remakes are Jan & Dean. Dean's not the only one. I've heard some pretty bad remakes on the radio and the DJ's think they are original. A lot of groups have done it. I'm happy to report that all the Jan & Dean played on XM Sirius radio are the originals. So that's good.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: Bitman on August 16, 2013, 11:06:47 AM
This Internet "radio" jock does know the difference...and plays Jan's mono mixes!
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: sweetdudejim on August 19, 2013, 05:37:45 PM
Has Dean ever been questioned about why he allowed this material to come out as "Jan & Dean"?

As recently as last year, he did the artwork for that CD called Surf's  Up which is pretty much just a reissue of Silver Summer. And by doing the artwork, it seems like he has no problem with the fact that it's labeled as such.

And what's worse, this isn't a release that's just hanging around the internet. I actually saw this CD available at a nearby record store. They had no other "Jan & Dean" CDs but they had that one. Shame on Dean.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: Bitman on August 19, 2013, 06:55:21 PM
It wasn't just J&D, but many oldies artists remade their hits in the 70's and 80's for labels like K-Tel. When these labels approached the original record companies about purchasing the rights to re-release these old songs, the fees were often unaffordable. For much less money, the smaller labels like K-Tel could get the original artist(s) to spend a day or two in the studio re-cutting their old tunes. Many of these artists were struggling because this was in the days before the record companies' practice of screwing the artists had fully come to light. The chance for them to go into the studio and make a few thousand bucks for a day or two of recutting their old songs was welcome money. It wouldn't seem that Dean would've been hurting financially at that time, but others here may know more.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: jdman on August 20, 2013, 03:28:23 AM
Bitman, great point! There were a lot of artists doing that. I hear it on oldies radio all the time. I've bought several CD's that had re-recordings-not just Jan & Dean. The J&D stuff upsets me more. lol 
I don't think Dean needed the money. I believe he was putting his stamp on those songs.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: owen on August 20, 2013, 10:35:21 PM
In an alternate universe The Legendary Masked Surfers' single Gonna Hustle You was a big hit in 1973, after which Dean and a variety of others (including Bruce & Terry and Mike Love) rerecorded many old Jan & Dean and Beach Boys songs under the LMS brand name, interspersed with occasional new stuff - like their Top Forty hit Ocean Park Angel.

And everyone was happy that Dean had found a way to move on and create a second career for himself.

Except for a few Jan and Dean fans who were angry because nowadays everyone thinks that Surf City, Dead Man's Curve, and The Little Old Lady were originally hits for the Legendary Masked Surfers (and hardly anyone credits J&D anymore). That certainly seems to be how a lot of disk jockeys on the internet act.

:)

Owen
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: 2dean2 on August 21, 2013, 08:57:53 PM
Owen I'd say they think the songs are BB Hit's . Only a handful of J&D Fans even know who LMS is.
You know we look at this with Hindsight , Not in 76-77 terms when there were no real plans or thought Jan & Dean would ever again mean anything to anyone. Dean's stuff sounds like all the other 70's stuff.
NOT AS GOOD AS JAN'S !!! But Jan had the BEST Musicians at the time.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: Kentucky Surfer on October 24, 2013, 08:53:56 PM
I bought a K-Tel LP entitled "The Jan & Dean Story" in the early 1980s.  Side 1 was the 1977 re-recordings, and Side 2 was a selection of Dore recordings.  The liner notes clearly stated that they were rerecordings.  Over the years, I think I listened to Side 1 less than half a dozen times.  I always thought the 1977 recordings sounded "chirpy".  Of course, what they were missing was Jan's voice.  On the other hand, Side 2 was great, and I got to hear "Gee" and "There's A Girl" for the first time.

I agree with the overall consensus that the 1977 recordings should have been marketed as Dean only.  I cannot stand to hear these versions misrepresented as originals.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: jdman on October 25, 2013, 05:11:45 AM
Kentucky, it's not just missing Jan's voice. More importantly, they are missing Jan's production! Either way, I could do without the remakes. Although, I will say that Dean sounds pretty good on some of them, the sound just is not half as strong.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: Kann on November 08, 2014, 06:50:13 PM
Torrence released the album Silver Summer with the help of Mike Love in 1985 for Jan & Dean's 25th anniversary. Silver Summer was officially released as a Jan & Dean album, but falsely gives credit to Berry as co-producer and singer.

Bump! Dean has said something like this before in an article but cant find it right now. as soon as I find this I will post a link!
Title: Silver Summer.
Post by: 1Jay1 on November 24, 2017, 06:01:28 AM
I m told this lp was released on polydor,I always thought it was released on skyline record label.

Polydor is a good label,

Any info on this.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: NateRuvin on December 22, 2017, 10:10:30 AM
I prefer the LMS remakes to the K-Tel J&D Story ones for sure. No remakes will ever match Jan's originals however.
Title: Re: Jan on 'Silver Summer' and 'One Summer Night/Live'
Post by: jdman on December 22, 2017, 10:59:17 AM
Well said Nate
Title: Re: Silver Summer.
Post by: 1Jay1 on January 11, 2018, 07:22:30 AM
I m told this lp was released on polydor,I always thought it was released on skyline record label.

Polydor is a good label,

Any info on this.
found out the polydor  is a japan release on cd and double vinyl. I m after a copy on vinyl, if anyone can help me.