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Title: "Deadman's Curve" - TV Movie - Article
Post by: Admin on June 20, 2011, 06:14:19 PM

From "The Wrap" . . .

http://www.thewrap.com/tv/blog-post/remembering-dead-mans-curve-28390 (http://www.thewrap.com/tv/blog-post/remembering-dead-mans-curve-28390)
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Post by: 2dean2 on June 20, 2011, 07:08:08 PM
This is prob the most important movie in Rock and Roll as pertaining to changing lives . I mean How many on this site knew Who J&D were B4 it You knew the songs but You prob thought it was the BB's Of course you gotta think and the Guy's and the band members throughout the years. Who had doors opened from their time with J&D. VH1 and those other music channels should run it on their , whats that Rock and Roll Picture Show ? Instead of The Temptations for the Billionth time. They could even have a part where Dean comes on and tells about how it changed things for him and Jan and/or the actors too.
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Post by: jdman on June 21, 2011, 04:45:01 AM
What amazes me is how Jan & Dean dropped off the face of the earth soooo fast. I was born in 66, so DMC movie was the first time I heard of them. But from everything I hear, Jan & Dean were hot superstars and then they were gone from memory. Don't get me wrong, a lot of people I talked to remembered them. But overall, when the music changed, they were gone from most people's thoughts and memories. The movie actually sparked the memory back in people. I just find it funny because I grew up in the 70's and 80's and I remember(quite well) all the groups from that period that had 16 top 40 hits!!!
I mean, How can you forget a group that had that much success? I guess it was the drugs!! lol
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Post by: Admin on June 21, 2011, 06:32:16 AM
They weren't as "forgotten" as the article makes it seem.

After the accident in '66, they "bubbled under" with "Yellow Balloon" in '67 (so the name was still there) . . . and the "Carnival of Sound" related singles were issued in '67 and '68. Jan's recording activities were reported in the media in 1968. No hits, but one was promoted prominently in Billbaord magazine, so again the name was still out there . . . they just faded from having hit records.

Then Jan started his solo recordings in '72.

In '73, J&D were featured (and pictured) prominently in an industry article by Gene Sculatti, Ken Barnes, and Greg Shaw. This was a year before the Rolling Stone article. The "Surf Revival" period.

In '74, we had Morantz's RS piece. (The omission of Jan's "Carnival of Sound" recordings from this article was a blow to their visibility). In '75, J&D got press for "Fun City" and Jan's solo recordings were covered in the media in the mid-'70s. No hits, but articles were written.

The movie was shot in '77 and released very early in '78 (February).

It took the movie (though heavily fictionalized) to turn the masses back on the the surf and hot-rod material. Nostalgia for that was heavy. And they were able to hit the road again.
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Post by: Bitman on June 21, 2011, 09:54:57 AM
While J&D did get some media coverage in the wake of the accident, much of it was limited to what only people in the show business industry had access to.  Back in the day, not many non-industry types read Billboard magazine, for example.  There was no 24-hour cable news cycle back then, either.  Now, if Jan's accident were to happen in today's media, he would be all over the news, likely for weeks, if not months, as the media followed his recovery and speculated as to whether he would perform or record again.  Adding to the unfortunate timing was the fact that rock and roll music was rapidly changing.  As we now hear with Carnival of Sound, Jan & Dean would've changed with it.  However, at the time, they'd been without a top 10 hit for a couple of years, which was an eternity in those days, and those songs were about drag racing grandmothers and such, which were becoming painfully unhip, which also stacked the deck against them.
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Post by: 2dean2 on June 22, 2011, 10:18:12 PM
I remember reading something Dean said , and it went something like . "One day you turned on the radio and we were'nt there. " Add to the fact no record co was paying radio stations to play J&D like they were the other acts . And still do . [ Why do you think you hear the same songs over and over , with all the good stuff out there ?] And your right the late 60's drug culture prob had a lot to do with them being forgotten . And sadly they were forgotten again after their second come back . You never hear  them on the oldies stations . I drive all over the midwest . Listen to Talk , Oldies , Classic and Old country. I heard Surf City down in Texas a couple weeks ago . If I dont hear Jagger sang Am I rough enough am I rich enough....... EVER AGAIN I'l die a happy man as I hear it or have a chance to 5 times a day.
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Post by: maryw7 on June 23, 2011, 12:36:30 AM
Well...perhaps Jan & Dean's hits on the radio aren't played as much any more.... I don't have radio stations on that much.... i hope it's not true.  Still, i do not feel they have been forgotten.  There sure is plenty enthusiasm at the concerts, such as the Myrtle Beach one that just happened....and plenty people at it, too.  (tons to be exact)   Plus...look at all the people communicating about them on Facebook and on Youtube.  LOTS of activity there....

All this talk about "Deadman's Curve" and the movie and Phase II makes me feel happy to share one of the most recent Youtubes i just placed online. 
                                  Jan & Dean LIVE in 95 Part One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtJs2FUAPQ8#)
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Post by: jdman on June 23, 2011, 04:52:09 AM
I don't agree that they were forgotten after the movie. In fact, in the late 80's and early 90's, I heard more Jan & Dean on the radio than ever before. We had 3 major FM stations playing oldies and I consistently heard 12 different Jan  & Dean songs from Jennie Lee to Popsicle and everything inbetween. Lately I don't hear them as much because there aren't a lot of stations that play pre-1965 stuff anymore. I think Phase II definitely brought them back to the main stream, at least for awhile. Now we just need to inform people of the lasting influence the Jan Berry had as a producer and arranger. I hope the book comes out soon. People should know about Jan & Dean and their influence on so many.
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Post by: 2dean2 on June 23, 2011, 07:54:58 PM
Thats what I mean for a while yes they were hot in the media . Then nothing . Please dont get fans mixed up with the general public . I quess I'm talking about how they've again been put on the back burner or under the stove , when it comes to the public . Radio stations that play oldies need to play them and many others a hell of a lot more. They should also be in those "TIME LIFE" Collections How can you say you have a COMPLETE COLLECTION of "Singer Song Writers " And NOT have Jan Berry represented. What a joke.
Id say call your local radio station but it wont help most have a corp play list which is why you hear the same songs pretty much at the same time everyday . And we listen like a bunch of cows waiting to hear the farmers truck coming to feed us . Hoping today he'll play Jan & Dean just once please sir. But NO he feeds us the same POOP as "Yesterday"........
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Post by: The Surfer Joe on June 23, 2011, 08:03:33 PM
I hardly hear a Jan & Dean song ( or even the Beach Boys ) on our local "Oldies" Station, as compared to even just a few years ago. So Sad.  As The Dead Man's Curve Movie goes, I watch it still all the time & am riveted to the TV Start to Finish. I do Hope someday, it will make an "Official" DVD release, often thought a feature length movie would be cool too, but doubt it would be as special as the Original Made for TV.
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Post by: jdman on June 24, 2011, 04:56:35 AM
2dean2

What bothers me more than radio stations with their set list is the things that are written. I checked Glen Campbell on the internet because of his problems. The history on Glen Campbell absolutely ignores Jan & Dean. I read about how he played on records for all these bands(most of which had less hits than Jan & Dean) but J&D aren't mentioned. The sad thing is when you hear Glen talk about the session days, he always mentions Jan & Dean because those were some great sessions. The fact is: Glen admires Jan & Dean, Brian Wilson has the utmost respect for Jan, etc, but when someone writes about it, Jan & Dean either are not mentioned or they say Brian GAVE Jan those songs. Brian himself talks about how much he learned from Jan and how he loved working WITH Jan on those songs. Why do historians NOT listen to Glen and Brian and others? They obviously have their own agenda and that means Jan & Dean are square and don't deserve respect. It pisses me off.
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Post by: maryw7 on June 24, 2011, 09:56:34 PM
2dean2

What bothers me more than radio stations with their set list is the things that are written. I checked Glen Campbell on the internet because of his problems. The history on Glen Campbell absolutely ignores Jan & Dean. I read about how he played on records for all these bands(most of which had less hits than Jan & Dean) but J&D aren't mentioned. The sad thing is when you hear Glen talk about the session days, he always mentions Jan & Dean because those were some great sessions. The fact is: Glen admires Jan & Dean, Brian Wilson has the utmost respect for Jan, etc, but when someone writes about it, Jan & Dean either are not mentioned or they say Brian GAVE Jan those songs. Brian himself talks about how much he learned from Jan and how he loved working WITH Jan on those songs. Why do historians NOT listen to Glen and Brian and others? They obviously have their own agenda and that means Jan & Dean are square and don't deserve respect. It pisses me off.
Each point..... oh! how i agree with....straight to the point and from the heart....and to the heart of it.  As Jason would say, "Well said jdman!"

...also
I hardly hear a Jan & Dean song ( or even the Beach Boys ) on our local "Oldies" Station, as compared to even just a few years ago. So Sad.  As The Dead Man's Curve Movie goes, I watch it still all the time & am riveted to the TV Start to Finish. I do Hope someday, it will make an "Official" DVD release, often thought a feature length movie would be cool too, but doubt it would be as special as the Original Made for TV.
Oh yes!...and i do so hope too for an official release AND a feature length movie...because the tv movie has only told a bit more than 1/4 to a 1/3 of Jan & Dean's legacy.  I love to quote what was written after Jan passed on, by one paper.... "Jan & Dean...an American Treasure" 
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Post by: 2dean2 on June 26, 2011, 08:26:42 PM
Yeah it's sad about Glen. Hope he can finnish his farewell tour before it takes over him too badly. On J&D it not only the radio air play but the lack of respect for 1 of the California 3 who pretty much owned the airways in the early 60's . But it's not just J&D lacking on the radio . Holly , C Berry , early Elvis, J L Lewis , L Richard , Danny & the JR's.......  I like the stuff they play ok but do you have to play that much of the "FAB FOUR" Then have a Fab Four at four" Were you play another 4 of their songs ! And say thats what we want to hear . It's like the Cable News , Casey/Cally and the umpteen Reb canidates  24 hrs a day Theres a camera in every corner of the world and thats all you see ? Just remember it's what you want to watch . God help us when they start feeding us what we want to eat.
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Post by: Bitman on June 30, 2011, 09:09:44 AM
Having a background in radio, let me try and explain why you don't hear Jan & Dean (and a lot of your other favorites you grew up with) anymore.  Jan & Dean's prime was nearly 50 years ago.  As much as we love them, they weren't nearly as prolific as The Beatles.  Say you were 15 when Jan & Dean were cranking out the hits.  That means you're in your 60's now.  That's a hard age group to sell to advertisers.  People in their 60's are sterotyped as being on Social Security and not having the financial ability to afford big ticket items.  Therefore, radio stations would rather have 10 listeners in their 40's than 1,000 listeners in their 60's.  The 40-something crowd is perceived as having more spending power and thus an easier sell to advertisers.  Notice how you hear virtually nothing from the 50's on the radio anymore.  People who went wild for Elvis when he first made the scene are in their 70's now!   60's music in general is getting played less and less on oldies radio.  The Beatles, Stones, Motown and a few Beach Boys cuts are still active, but some oldies stations are now playing songs from the 80's!  A friend of mine heard Prince on an oldies station the other day!  Geez.  The sad fact is we're getting older and every day Jan & Dean and all the other great music of the 60's becomes buried farther into history.  It's just fortunate the Jan & Dean fans here have found each other and can keep their legacy alive. 
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Post by: jdman on June 30, 2011, 11:38:39 AM
You make some great points Bitman. That's why it doesn't bother me as much that they are not on the radio as much anymore. It's the writings that kill me. I still do find some blogs that speak respectfully about Jan & Dean and give Jan his due. So that's good. But some ignore them completely or disrespect them. It's an historical thing. People(even the young) should know how all this rock n roll music came to be. And Jan & Dean were among the first!!
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Post by: 2dean2 on June 30, 2011, 07:36:13 PM
Yeah I see what your saying BITMAN . It's got everything to do with demagraphics [sic :o]
But if these add men would look at recent pop culture history they would see 2 musical acts that have a lot  a ton of young fans 30-50 and say teens on up . And that would be Jan & Dean from their phase 2 concerts mom and dad dragging them to the local fun park, fair.... And them falling in love with J&D . And Johnny Cash When I lived in Phoenix Az about a year ago Every bar band I saw on sat nite played  Folsom Prison Blues older than any J&D song. So young fans of the music are out there . I do think it's a mind set thing though , IE how many times do they play "Ticket to ride " when  a J&d or BB song would be more fitting. They need to have more real Oldies stations I think good music is timeless and all ages would listen to the 50's -64 stuff.
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Post by: maryw7 on July 12, 2011, 05:07:54 PM
Wow!  This is too much!  For sure this must have been brought up before...but i just noticed it (maybe again....however, feels like the first time!!)

Today I am making a copy of "Deadman's Curve" tv movie for a friend...it just started...and on that opening concert it says "July 1966".... JULY!!  How did that slip through??

Did they mean January?  I would have thought it was March. 
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Post by: jdman on July 13, 2011, 05:45:34 AM
lol Yeah Mary, it definitely was not July 1966. They messed that up.
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Post by: The Surfer Joe on July 13, 2011, 07:37:11 PM
Bob Smith ( Wolfman Jack ) "No You take a left at Adams Ferry"...the old guy Dean ( Bruce Davidson ) asks for directions as he walks by is such a funny scene :)
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Post by: maryw7 on July 14, 2011, 12:34:03 AM
You said it, Joe!!   ...sooo funny!! (thank ya for the reminder) :)

...and JD?  How! could this get past editing?     

Hey?  HAVE we discussed that error before on here?  Must have...huh?  (maybe even in this topic...and i'm missing it??)

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Post by: jdman on July 15, 2011, 04:20:06 AM
Mary, I don't think they cared about a couple of months. They just didn't put that much effort into the details. With that said, there were a lot of truth to the movie. I certainly don't think it was fictional, but they didn't spend a lot of time on details.
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Post by: The Surfer Joe on July 15, 2011, 12:57:56 PM
.......4 cheeseburgers, 4 fries, a tuna malt & a stomach pump :)
( " we don't have tuna malts " )
killer stuff....
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Post by: 2dean2 on July 15, 2011, 08:02:35 PM
I'm trying to think if this ? has been bought up here B4 . Sorry if it has . Is that Dean playing the Sax in the Free Beach  Concert  Barbara Ann part ?
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Post by: maryw7 on July 16, 2011, 12:51:35 AM
Oh Joe!  Killer stuff!, yes .... :)  and that line was just at the beginning! of the show, wasn't it? 

....( 2Dean?  ya had me going on that saxaphone thing.  I had to take a look....no way DEAN!  ...at least not as in Torrence...O Torrence )  ( unless you were seeing another one in there... 'n not the obvious guy)
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Post by: 2dean2 on July 16, 2011, 07:23:10 AM
I havent seen it in years . But I remember watchin it and thinking I wonder if that's Dean. I know they snuck Jan in the comeback concert part . I'l take your word for it though. Wonder if Dean is in it somewhere ? Hey Mark call and ask him will ya ? Thx
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Post by: maryw7 on July 17, 2011, 12:07:56 AM
2Dean....well...your bringing up the possibility of Dean being in the "background" of the movie...kind of mysteriously in there, like Jan AND his parents are in the concert scene...reminded me of how surprised i was when i saw whom i thought was Dean in his project he made with Jan in 1984...."Surfin' Beach Party".

Not too long ago...i put together a Youtube with my favorite parts...THEM introducing the songs for videos!!  Here it is....(hope i'm not just repeating myself and have already put it on here!  sorry....if i did...but there's a scene where i believe it's Dean in the car...watch and catch it...i even "highlighted" it with the words pointing it out!....please tell me if you agree, k?)

 :)  Jan & Dean at the Shore Favorite Scenes from '84 ( & PS ...a few more) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSznO0lZDlw#)
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Post by: maryw7 on July 17, 2011, 01:24:37 AM
JD...I agree completely...alot of truth to the movie...NOT fictional...however...as you say...NOT much attention to details along with a mighty bunch of "facts" left out!!  ....some distortional fictionalization (new phrase!) too, I must say....i must say! 

And here are some of the BEST frames from this superb piece of film...1977 (probably shot then)

Jan and his parents  (Jan with the biggest smile)  (his dad a couple rows behind him and his mom just seen next to him, however, barely visible on this frame)
(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/16/08/20/16/jan_an11.jpg)

And then ...no explanation needed for this!
(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/16/08/20/16/jan__d20.jpg)
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Post by: jdman on July 17, 2011, 07:34:49 AM
Nice job Mary. Yes, I agree. It was a true story that left a lot of details out. Some of it was fictionalized. I'd like to say that the last scene actually held some truth to it, but not on purpose. Jan & Dean really did lip sync at this event. A couple of years later, Jan really did try to sing live at a different show. From what I've heard, he received a standing ovation. So if you combine the 2 events, the scene was more truthful. My father cried when watching the movie with me. Later on we both watched Jan & Dean sing Barbara Ann with the Beach Boys on national TV. My dad cried again and said that Jan is one couragous man!!
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Post by: 2dean2 on July 18, 2011, 07:07:22 AM
Mary I dont think that was Dean. But it's not a good shot . I must say I alway's thought Dean was very personable and seemed too have a good feel for public speaking . However if I would've bought a tape of this I would've been sorely disapointed. It seems they have no director . Very poor performence . And it takes a good director to say "Ok let's do another take" Now I get J&D humor but when Jan say's something like how did you arrive . and Dean has that reaction I think some people would take it as he was mad at Jan. Also using the "Actors" in the videos was in my opinion a mistake. I'm not sure if this was relesed back then But I think it could've hurt bookings if it was. Just my opinion .
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Post by: Admin on July 18, 2011, 01:14:50 PM

2dean2 . . . I'm not a fan of it either. They didn't use the original versions of the songs.
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Post by: maryw7 on July 19, 2011, 12:06:38 AM
Nice job Mary. Yes, I agree. It was a true story that left a lot of details out. Some of it was fictionalized. I'd like to say that the last scene actually held some truth to it, but not on purpose. Jan & Dean really did lip sync at this event. A couple of years later, Jan really did try to sing live at a different show. From what I've heard, he received a standing ovation. So if you combine the 2 events, the scene was more truthful. My father cried when watching the movie with me. Later on we both watched Jan & Dean sing Barbara Ann with the Beach Boys on national TV. My dad cried again and said that Jan is one couragous man!!
Thank you, JD, for sharing this. 

And, I happen to totally agree with you about the accuracy of what this last scene depicted.  Also from what I've read, Jan was invited onstage a couple of times to a welcoming reception...including when he and Dean did sing live with Papa Doo Run Run in June of 1976.  So...this shows us how Phase Two was beginning.   PS Your father sounds very neat.   :)
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Post by: maryw7 on July 19, 2011, 12:11:35 AM
Mary I dont think that was Dean. But it's not a good shot .
You don't think this is Dean, 2Dean?  Hmmmm...i felt so sure it was!  I didn't catch it at first...but when i really look....it sure seems it is to me.  But I do want MANY opinions on that, because if I'm wrong...i want to take off the "Dean seen here" thing i added.  Guess we will have to try to ask him, if the consensus is that it's not.  ....here...I'll take a "shot" and maybe that'll help....it was that chin and dimple..that really told me this thought.  But maybe another "twin" type thing....like in the movie with the look alike Bruce.
(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/16/08/20/16/dean_i10.jpg)
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Post by: 2dean2 on July 26, 2011, 07:44:58 AM
You know Mary now that I see a better still of it I think it could be Dean. I'l change my vote to yes .
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Post by: maryw7 on July 27, 2011, 08:42:05 PM
That's funny, 2Dean...cuz when i looked at the "still" ...it made me wonder if it really was even MORE!!  I felt more sure it is when i saw the video moving...i guess the way he's just sitting there...reminded me of how Dean sometimes "moves".... :) 

But, yeah...mostly I think it is...someday...Lord willing...there'll be a chance to ask him. 

PS....I even added " ? ? ? ? " on the video where i say "Dean seen here"  ...wish i would have thought to write: "Dean" scene here....on it originally.  That'd be cuter.
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Post by: maryw7 on July 27, 2011, 09:03:37 PM
.... if I would've bought a tape of this I would've been sorely disapointed. It seems they have no director . Very poor performence . And it takes a good director to say "Ok let's do another take" Now I get J&D humor but when Jan say's something like how did you arrive . and Dean has that reaction I think some people would take it as he was mad at Jan. Also using the "Actors" in the videos was in my opinion a mistake. I'm not sure if this was relesed back then But I think it could've hurt bookings if it was. Just my opinion .
Regarding this part of what you wrote, 2Dean....
I have a different "take".  My opinion is that they give very "GOOD" performances.  In fact...i LOVE their performances!!...and if I would have bought this tape...or had gotten the opportunity to view it, I would have been finding out where in the world could i go see the REAL Jan & Dean!!  In fact...this is EXACTLY what did happen!! 

It was that summer of 1994...near the end,  that I saw "Deadman's Curve" on video.  And that same video rental had THIS video.  I went to ALL efforts to find out where they are still performing...as I realized that this had been filmed in 1984 and it was now 10 years later!  Well...Mrs. Torrence...Dean's mom was listed in the California telephone directory...and operator found and gave me the number.  It was actually listed under "Dean Torrence".  They performed at our Wisconsin's Noah's Ark every year for the past several years and I did  NOT even know it!!  But!, they were STILL performing in 1994, as well. 

You say that you know J & D humor....but if you do, maybe you are mostly thinking of the Phase One humor.  Their humor was a bit altered in Phase Two.  Some seemed the same...but it took me a while to get used to what i witnessed at concerts and stuff. 

I do understand about what you point out in your quote here...but if you saw these two in action ...you would see this kind of "response" Dean gave towards Jan is quite the part he took. 

One time, early on when i was first experiencing this...i was concerned if this type of Dean stuff was "okay" with Jan.  I asked him.  He liked it! 

As for them using actors...do you mean in the music video sections?  What else would they do for all those songs?!  This was the perfect way for them to do it, I think.  I love the way Jan begins some of the songs!...and the way they give each other "five"!! 

I LOVE the WHOLE thing!!!  That's why I put this together in this way on Youtube!   :)  They look great!!!  And how'd you like the way i merged their 1960's "sitting by each other" with their shot from 1978?...you like that?...at the end of this, I mean?

PS...the humor really isn't even that different from Phase One when ya think of it...remember the things they yell at each other on those radio takes and goofing around on "All the Hits...." 2 cd set?  And...how about even on their tv pilot..."....he got hit with an ugly stick!.....so'd YOU" (on the dinasaur scene during "Time and Space")
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Post by: 2dean2 on July 28, 2011, 12:41:51 PM
Mary we get the J&D L&H Smothers brothers humor . And actually thats all I care about . I shouldnt worry if someone else doesnt get the "joke". But even I had to go wait was Dean kidding or did Jan just mess up another take. I believe it was J&D humor. You've got to remember we are fans of their whole persona not just people who say alright Jan & Dean when we hear Surf City coming on the radio. And never give them another thought. As far as Dean's "hosting" What I was getting to was a good director would've had him for instance get the name of the concert venue right I was a part of Spanky Spangler "s crew and when we filmed 5 episodes of Daredevil Challenge for Fox Tv back in 92 I think We had to stand and hear Heather Lockler? [some blonde hottie form that time ] do take after take to get the right one . No stunts were faked but you might be suprised to learn we had to do multiple takes of pulling him out of the car so the director could get the right look [same camara angle] . So it wasnt Dean fault it was the directors
If Jan & Dean wouldv've been in the vids maybe they could've gotten play on MTV ! After I read they were shotting a Lilttle ol Lady vid I watched MTV a "POOPLOAD" more than I would've. And worried I missed it while out floating around the Paciic on the USS Kitty Hawk [CV -64] As this was to happen the summer of 84. By the way showing of the humor in DMC wouldve been really cool if they wouldve sung a song did some stage antics then another song as opposed to just showing a song here snd their and having them cut up with wolfman Which was good not complaining.  ;)
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Post by: maryw7 on August 01, 2011, 12:09:27 AM
Mary we get the J&D L&H Smothers brothers humor .  ......
But even I had to go wait was Dean kidding or did Jan just mess up another take. I believe it was J&D humor.
Do you know how long it's taken me to realize what L&H meant?  (duh!!)  Laurel and Hardy!!! ...but anyway...YES!  that's it!! 

Here's some more of that sweet humor.  (Phase Two type...)  (the audio and video DO NOT match  -  except in spirit!!  I have always wanted to share this video footage...but i know how edgy some "suits" (i think that'd be the "they") get when Jan & Dean's original audio is used on videos.....(perhaps that'S even why Dean chose to use all the revisions of the songs on "Surfing Beach Party")  When they appeared on this talk show, they lip synched to their original songs.

So...when it turned 7-11-11 this year...it came to mind to take their "sweet" song BRAND NEW in Phase Two (around 1986) (at least that's the year "Port to Paradise" came out with it on it!!)..."Just One of Those Days" and combine it visually with this so-cute video of them performing around 1979 or 1980 at a local talk type show. 

(man! is it LATE....Lord willing...i will put another video example of Dean's Phase Two humor..in my opinion...on tomorrow or so)
Jan & Dean's 7 Eleven Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui96HD9R-iU#)*  Laurel and Hardy....that talk about them always reminds me of their precious appearance on "Mike Douglas" when Jan tries recalling which Laurel and Hardy episode he remembered seeing in the hospital...and Dean reminds him...and says "I SHOULD know!!...." like they must of watched it quite a few daRn times!!  (cute!)
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Post by: maryw7 on August 09, 2011, 07:42:44 PM
We have another "vote" to weigh in!!  (referring to the picture before the previous Youtube of the blonde male with blonde female taken from "Surfing Beach Party" 1984)

Mr. Doc Rock Kelly

"Sunshine Music" issue #26, Winter 1986

Page 5

Paragraph 5  (Quoting Michael from his magazine)

"....But she does seem lost without her fancy wheels, until Dean beams down in an antique Rolls, and Blondie joins him.  They both beam up, and it is great to see the Dino in the video.  Jan, where are you?"

This is really such a treasure (just as each Sunshine Music issue was/is).  Doc (Michael Kelly, M.A., Ph.D) is laying out for us in his section "Short Cuts", descriptions of both "Jan & Dean Silver Summer Anniversary Album"
                  (http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/16/08/20/16/silver10.jpg)

as well as, what he calls "Even bigger news then the 25th Album - the JAN & DEAN VIDEO TAPE." 

And he extensively describes the video. 

I am trying to share "Sunshine Music" issues on the Jan & Dean fan page i began several weeks ago on Facebook.  Does anyone else have issues of Sunshine Music they would like to share?  I photo copy them and send them right back to you.  (First i send you a stamped, self addressed envelope to send them in....one at a time even!!...or, if you wish, i could do more)

PS  This has all been given the treasured " OK " from Doc Rock himself!!   :)
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Post by: maryw7 on August 18, 2011, 02:50:49 PM
Now I get J&D humor but when Jan say's something like how did you arrive . and Dean has that reaction I think some people would take it as he was mad at Jan.
Back to the humor...'nother example of it, as far as i can see.

Dean's reactions...
...to me....those reactions: a BIG part of his humor...    :) 

(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/16/08/20/16/smalle11.jpg)
(This picture taken from his own site, by the way  http://www.jananddean.com/biochp10b/biochp10b.html (http://www.jananddean.com/biochp10b/biochp10b.html)  (once there, just scroll..er "shift" down)

So...don't let this fool ya  ;)
(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/16/08/20/16/dean_s12.jpg)
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Post by: maryw7 on August 21, 2011, 03:40:55 PM
Today while reviewing JDman's wonderful Youtube of the last moving moments from the movie (again!  :) ), i realized there were other portions with Jan's mother and father visible.  Since my earlier photo didn't share Jan's mom much at all...i couldn't resist sharing those now. 

This depicts the first frames after "Jan" has begun actually singing and the audience starts their applause for him.... (no need to point out where Jan's parents are!!)
(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/16/08/20/16/1st_ja10.jpg)

And then....this unique frame was not planned when i first "saw" it....their loving faces right WITH the depiction of what they are witnessing. 
(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/16/08/20/16/multi_10.jpg)

This reminds me of the audio recording of Jan performing at a night club during one of his initial "live" appearances after the accident, and he happily acknowledges his parents presence in the audience.  He so appreciative of their support  :) 

PS  Here is a caption i placed on this picture over at the Facebook page:  (It more clearly defines the photo / shot)

" A unique shot of Jan's actual parents as they witness the depiction of their son's hopes beginning to be fulfilled. (This is the way the film transitioned from one frame to the next.) Thank God, it was also TRULY happening in real life!!! Though the movie takes viewers only into about 1973...the performance portrayed in this scene is actually a combination of a lip sinking event of 1973 ALONG with live singing they delivered in local California venues a few years later. : ) "
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Post by: maryw7 on August 21, 2011, 07:56:27 PM
To JD Man...What i wrote in the reply immediately before this one, in the PS, was my attempt to capture what you point out in your reply of July 17th which i quote now. 
..... I'd like to say that the last scene actually held some truth to it, but not on purpose. Jan & Dean really did lip sync at this event. A couple of years later, Jan really did try to sing live at a different show. From what I've heard, he received a standing ovation. So if you combine the 2 events, the scene was more truthful. My father cried when watching the movie with me. Later on we both watched Jan & Dean sing Barbara Ann with the Beach Boys on national TV. My dad cried again and said that Jan is one couragous man!!

How poignantly the transitioning frame combines reality and drama....which worked together to convey what was happening for Jan & Dean into 1978. 
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Post by: jdman on August 22, 2011, 05:52:31 AM
Sounds good Mary. Thanks for using my idea. I love that picture!!
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Post by: The Surfer Joe on August 22, 2011, 09:16:19 PM
I too, was in tears at this point in the movie & still puts a lump in my throat every time I see it. Richard Hatch & Bruce Davidson did such an excellent job capturing the spirit & "Heart & Soul"...so to speak of the Real Jan & Dean.  Just some of the facial expressions of these actors is almost tear-jerking.

Someday, I hope they make a full feature movie to show the entire world the contribution these two great Men made in Rock History.....as long as a movie wouldn't take away the charm of the Made for TV one we all Love :)
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Post by: maryw7 on September 21, 2011, 09:27:09 PM
Well...i really wanted to leave JD's & Joe's comments up as most recent....but now i've got to write back....

Thanks, JDMan ....  :)  Loved using your idea....very much..it's perfect.

AND....your words, Joe...PERFECT.  Thanks for putting so well.   :)

and all that good feeling made me feel like putting up something "new" ......

Wanna share Doc Rock's picture (one of his FANTASTIC, FABULOUS photos he took and put in "Sunshine Music" Issue 28-29 Summer / Fall of 1986  Page 13 after seeing and visiting with our favorite duo!! )

(He wrote by the picture) :  " John and Jan discover Dean really IS an alien!....then by the next picture:  Oh....it's just Dean's new (temporary) earring.  First the Blue Fox, now the ear spiral!  What a trendsetter!"
(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/16/08/20/16/summer10.jpg)



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Post by: maryw7 on September 25, 2011, 06:08:28 PM
the movie clip....

getting close to 55,000   :)

(count of views on Youtube)
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Post by: maryw7 on September 25, 2011, 07:16:01 PM
This is just sooooo COOL!   8)

PEOPLE magazine!!!  You can look up any issue and see ALL the pages and print all the pages!!!  I LOVE it!

Here is an announcement of "Deadman's Curve" coming on Friday night in February 6th, 1978 issue....with its description:  WOW!  Click on the

Read it

option..and then when you see the pages come up, click on the

Enlarge it

option...and then scroll with the top part white/blue arrows...to find page 12
The description for, Friday, February 3, CBS "Deadman's Curve" begins on the bottom left corner of page 12. 

http://www.people.com/people/archive/issue/0,,7566780206,00.htm (http://www.people.com/people/archive/issue/0,,7566780206,00.htm)