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Filet of Soul Liner Notes
« on: September 07, 2017, 04:58:14 am »
My CD just came in. I love it!! Filet of Soul is a great album! The liner notes were good but I'm not sure how accurate some of that is. Dean mentions the Popsicle thing again where he remixes the song. But there is no evidence that he did. David Beard does a great job on his section. But he does sort of imply that Brian Wilson just gave a completed Surf City to Jan and Dean. And then the producer credits has
Producer: Jan Berry
Co-Producer: Dean Torrence
Is that how the credits would have read on the album?
I'm not saying it's not true. Hell, I don't know. I'm just asking.
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Re: Liner notes
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2017, 05:36:43 am »
I was confused about the process he describes for the overdubbing; he makes it sound like he and Jan took the tracks into the studio and overdubbed various sounds similar to the way DJs in a nightclub would do.  Wouldn't they be working with a sound effects library on tapes that would have to be pre-set and selected?  I can't imagine it was as random as the liner notes made it seem.

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Re: Filet of Soul Liner notes
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2017, 06:11:55 am »
My CD just came in. I love it!! Filet of Soul is a great album! The liner notes were good but I'm not sure how accurate some of that is. Dean mentions the Popsicle thing again where he remixes the song. But there is no evidence that he did. David Beard does a great job on his section. But he does sort of imply that Brian Wilson just gave a completed Surf City to Jan and Dean. And then the producer credits has
Producer: Jan Berry
Co-Producer: Dean Torrence
Is that how the credits would have read on the album?
I'm not saying it's not true. Hell, I don't know. I'm just asking.



Here's an article I wrote that supplements the liner notes, providing documentable historical context for Jan on the business end, as it related to Filet of Soul.

Corporate Soul: Jan Berryís Quest for Business Autonomy in 1966





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Re: Filet of Soul Liner Notes
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2017, 06:41:47 am »
Fantastic Mark!! Thank you!

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Re: Filet of Soul Liner Notes
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2017, 08:55:05 am »
Mark - more excellent work. Intelligent, based on fact not surmise. The quality of writing that hallmarked 'The Jan and Dean Record.' I'm really looking forward to Jan's biography.

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Re: Filet of Soul Liner Notes
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2017, 06:33:46 pm »
My CD just came in. I love it!! Filet of Soul is a great album! The liner notes were good but I'm not sure how accurate some of that is. Dean mentions the Popsicle thing again where he remixes the song. But there is no evidence that he did. David Beard does a great job on his section. But he does sort of imply that Brian Wilson just gave a completed Surf City to Jan and Dean. And then the producer credits has
Producer: Jan Berry
Co-Producer: Dean Torrence
Is that how the credits would have read on the album?
I'm not saying it's not true. Hell, I don't know. I'm just asking.


Glad you love FOS as much as I do.

First and foremost, questioning Dean's firsthand account is not something I'm comfortable doing.   Dean was there.  I was not.  Mark was not.  We don't need documentation to listen to the friendship on FOS; it's palpable.  These guys are having fun. 

The notes I wrote state that Brian provided Jan & Dean with a string of hit records.  There is no implication of the state of "Surf City" when Brian offered the song to the duo.  The purpose of my notes were to give a newbie fan an overview of how Jan and Dean went from a doo-wop group to producing a comedy album.

The credits listed for the FOS Redux release are a direct  reflection of the "in-studio" mixing that took place.  Dean was very involved in the complete deconstruction and sabotage of FOS in late 1965/early 1966.   I have an actual "Popsicle" 45 single that has Dean's Sharpie starred B-side (so DJ's would play that side instead of "Norwegian Wood") in its original Liberty envelope.

In my opinion, Mark's book research, my research, and Dean's firsthand account align very well. 

The most important fact is this: I finally convinced Dean to release FOS in its entirety.  And he did it for all of us.

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Re: Filet of Soul Liner Notes
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2017, 11:47:28 pm »
David, as the publisher of a fan magazine, you rely on peopleís memories for the interviews you conduct. You ask questions and print the answers verbatim. You donít have any other significant context. Consequently, you donít know if the person is giving you an accurate account, a personal agenda, or both. Those firsthand accounts are one of the main things you publish in ESQ. I get that, and itís important.

Deanís firsthand accounts will always be important. But relying solely on Deanís memories, especially after 50-some years, is unacceptable. For one thing, Dean has muddied the waters significantly by telling differing stories over the years (and Iíve broached that subject with him).

The documentary record that was generated in the Ď50s and Ď60s, hardcore historical evidence that still exists today, especially as it relates to Janís career, will almost always trump Deanís memories or personal agenda. The majority of the business and legal correspondence for Jan & Dean was not addressed to Dean, nor was it generated by Dean, and he didnít have a major say in how things unfolded. Thatís just the way it was.

At the same time, however, the documentary record can in many cases corroborate Deanís accounts. On the whole, I do think it all meshes together quite wellómore often than not.

Dean will always have insight that we donít have. But Deanís insight does not exist in a vacuum. Putting it all together is crucial.

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Re: Filet of Soul Liner Notes
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2017, 05:44:58 am »


The notes I wrote state that Brian provided Jan & Dean with a string of hit records. 


This statement is what I'm saying. Brian provided Jan & Dean with a string of hit records. Although the statement is not false, it's an exaggeration that favors Brian and diminishes Jan. Jan and Brian sat at a piano and wrote songs together. Some of them, Brain contributed 50% or so. Some others, he just made suggestions. Several Jan and Dean songs, Brian was not included on the original copyright but added later. But regardless, after Jan and Brian(and Roger and others) wrote the songs, it was Jan that arranged and produced them. Jan had the most to do with the final product, even on Surf City.
Brian was huge for Jan & Dean's transition to Surf music, but he didn't just give songs away. He collaborated and earned a nice pay check for those collaborations. And he learned a lot about the studio from an experienced Jan Berry. The way it's presented affects perception. By the way, I am a big Brian Wilson fan.


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Re: Filet of Soul Liner Notes
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2017, 05:46:14 am »
Just to be clear, I want to re-emphasize how much I love this album. The liner notes were fun to read too. Even if I don't necessarily agree with every word, it was very well done. My favorite Jan & Dean albums still come from the incredible productions of 63-65, but this CD is fantastic. I've already worn it out.

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Re: Filet of Soul Liner Notes
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2017, 01:20:52 pm »
I wish they could've used the original tapes, but Michael Graves did a terrific job restoring the acetate. Excellent sound quality.

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Re: Filet of Soul Liner Notes
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2017, 03:04:39 am »
Producer: Jan Berry
Co-Producer: Dean Torrence
Is that how the credits would have read on the album?


Absolutely not . . . First and foremost, the producer credit was a contractual thing, based on Jan Berry's contracts with Screen Gems. On the practical end, Dean Torrence did not produce or co-produce any J&D material prior to Jan's car accident in 1966.

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Re: Filet of Soul Liner Notes
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2017, 05:15:56 am »
I enjoyed it.  In context, I think it's great piece of fan service and a fun album.

Ideally I would've liked to have seen both of the rejected versions released, along with the released version and the Hullabaloo concert recordings they came from, but under the circumstances I'm appreciative for what we did get.

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Re: Filet of Soul Liner Notes
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2017, 08:19:17 am »
i d also love to see a release of the whole hulabaloo concert. Its a shame to have it in the vaults.