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Mark A. Moore

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Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2010, 05:40:31 PM »
It doesn't matter whether Jan made money or not. It was a huge mistake, regardless.

Jan didn't like the re-recordings. But that shouldn't be a surprise. He couldn't even stand the re-mixes of his original productions.

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2010, 01:14:53 PM »
My take on the remakes is that they were all right but not as good as the original . However is it possible Dean wanted an updated sound? A new twist on them ? Dont change too much but this is what' s and who's [M love] selling now? It's been said he should'nt have used Jan's name. Maybe Mark can tell us if Jan ever gave his opinion on this matter. Also lets say he did'nt and just called it Dean Torrence. Would we be saying he should'nt have left Jan's name off ???? My understanding it was for DMC then they used the orig's . Could it be so much time and money was spent the "suits" said we want that out and it's gonna be called Jan & Dean to cash in on the new found fame for our two boy's ?

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Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2010, 02:01:22 AM »
Mark,

I mean perhaps JAN needed the money to record more music or just needed it for whatever. I'm thinkin jan's thought's were not at that time thinking about his original productions being buried by these 77 recordings. Who would think back then that this would happen. Maybe Al Gore but that's it....

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Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2010, 10:28:42 AM »
It doesn't matter whether Jan made money or not. It was a huge mistake, regardless.

Jan didn't like the re-recordings. But that shouldn't be a surprise. He couldn't even stand the re-mixes of his original productions.

Really? Then why was there "Tijuana" and "Skateboard Surfin' USA"?

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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2010, 11:38:03 AM »
Well again, it's the name issue, with regard to the cover versions.

"Skateboard Surfin' USA" ("Sidewalk Surfin'" with altered lyrics) was not issued as "Jan & Dean." It was issued as a Jan Berry solo record. Thus, it's held to a different standard.

"Tijuana" -- the"Little Old Lady" track and melody with different lyrics -- was a throw-away cut that served no valuable purpose, other than to give Jan a misquided quick and easy fourth side for his two illicit singles in '67. And Jan promptly got busted by Screen Gems for using the '64 track illegally. That was the end of that . . . or should have been.

When Warner Bros. bought the masters for those three crucial new sides from the "Jan & Dean Label" 45s, they did not purchase "Tijuana."

And for the Carnival of Sound album, "Tijuana" was not included on either of Jan's 10-track or 12-track acetate versions of the album.

I argued against the inclusion of "Tijuana" on the forthcoming release. But Andrew Sandoval and Rhino Handmade wanted it on there (because Jan produced the vocal sessions for it during that period). So they actually had to license "Little Old Lady" from EMI, just to be able to use "Tijuana."

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Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2010, 03:24:35 PM »
"Tijuana" is a classic example of what makes Jan & Dean so great... a throwaway yes.. but so much fun!
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Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2010, 01:04:45 PM »
I disagree on the different standard. Dean, like Mike Love, is about capitalizing on marketability. So I suppose he's guilty of that…


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Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2010, 02:58:08 AM »
I thought skateboard surfin usa was jan saying to dean that the rerecorded version of sidewalk surfin that jan voice was taken off(1975 which had minor success and deans put inplace over the original from 1964,was not good at all,and he recorded his own version,which dean did sing on

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Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2010, 04:01:17 AM »
When I was a youngster, still unaware of the real Jan & Dean sound, I used to have a collection called "Surfin' USA" which was released on the pickwick label and had 9 of the '77 recordings (it missed "Sidewalk Surfin'" plus 3 Beach Boys songs (the 1962 Hite Morgan recordings of Surfin' Surfin' Safari and Surfer Girl) plus The Hondells "Little Honda" (re-recording) and "Wipeout" and "Pipeline" by Surfaris/Chantays.

I used to play the LP all the time, I wore it out and then bought it on cassette. I also wore that out, and shortly after discovered the "real" J&D sound. I recently made a CD version of the album, with the original front cover and everything, so now this is my almost exclusive listen to those '77 recordings.

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« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2010, 01:05:02 PM »
scooby this brings back memories,as that was one of my first jan and dean album,and yes i loved it at the time but then i got to learn the original dore, Liberty,

I still play this from time to time,my first jan and dean Album was the Jan and dean story,and my first single was Surf city/she my summer girl,and at the time i loved shes my summer time and had an old record player that kept playing it over and over again,later i learned what was on the Other side,


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Re: The 1977 Re-recordings.
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2010, 05:24:41 AM »
One aspect missing from this discussion is that however inferior the remakes; to quote: 'the song remains the same.' Let us not forget that we are dealing with some very strong songs here. Although I always prefer Jan's productions it is always interesting to hear other versions. I am glad, for example, that Surf City and Little Old Lady are in the Beach Boys repertoire - although I wish they would acknowledge Jan and Dean.

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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2010, 06:45:55 AM »
I agree Surferbee.It's always good to hear other versions. I just wish those other versions were not credited to Jan & Dean. Dean's versions are good if they were credited to Dean Torrence or Papa Do run run, but not Jan & Dean.
I love the Ramones' version of Surf City and Blink 182 doing Dead Man's Curve.

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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2010, 11:43:06 PM »
I think the situation regarding the credits for the 1977 - and later - rerecordings is more complex than many are suggesting. In fact, I suspect that nothing that Dean could have done would have been "right" from the perspective of the J&D lagacy.

The situation as I read it is that he used the J&D name on the remakes and this has allegedly confused casual fans and the public at large, who now (in many cases) think the remakes are the originals. Well, in my view, at least this gives them a fairly straight line back to the originals, which they can take if they are at all interested or curious.

What would the alternative have been though? Perhaps Dean could have run with the Legendary Masked Surfers brand name and released all the rerecordings as LMS discs. (In fact he has actually done this at least once. Silver Summer was reissued in a slightly modified form as an LMS cd entitled "Jan and Dean's Golden Summer").

If Dean had decided to do this then the situation would conceivably have been even worse for the J&D legacy. Confused casual fans, and the public at large, would now (in many cases) think the Legendary Masked Surfer records were the originals, and wonder who the hell this Jan and Dean are that a few people keep talking about.

In this case there would be no direct line for casual fans back to the originals, and Dean would be seen today as the leader and lead vocalist of "Mike Love's other surf band", the one that also included Bruce & Terry and Brian Wilson from time to time.

Would this really be any better?
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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2010, 09:15:00 AM »
I'd like to try and clear up some things here...
The 1975 Sidewalk Surfin' redux by Dean did not 'intentionally" leave Jan's voice off.  Skateboards were exploding, particularly in California - and surf music was in the middle of a major comeback.  Dean felt it was the perfect time to re-issue SS with updated lyrics featuring skateboarding slang from the mid 70s instead of mid sixties.  United Artists agreed to release a single - but then refused national promotion money.  Despite all this the song was still number one in various California radio markets.  In 1978 Jan was preparing his disco remake of SSUSA... he needed a falsetto singer and called Dean for Brian Wilson's phone number.  Dean asked why... when Jan explained what he was doing Dean volunteered to sing the part himself.

The 1977 Remakes...
There are three sets of masters as far as I can recall from the mists of time.  The KTEL masters were among the early recordings.  In late 77/early 78 Dean prepared a new set of recordings for a DMC soundtrack LP to be distributed by RSO.  The LP included DMC, Sidewalk Surfin, Little Deuce Coupe, Little Old Lady, Surf City, Teenager in Love, One Summer Night, Get A Job, I Only Have Eyes for You, Barbara Ann (an uptempo version with a track like the 1962 recording but heavily overdubbed - and a "Thank you Carl" nod to Carl Wilson at the end), Pipeline and Wipeout.  Many of the tracks were actually in the body of the film.  The J&D remakes were actually great sounding, with the addition of brass and instrumental sweetening which made them sound big and bold, like the original recordings.  Apparently, at one point, the filmmakers were considering using these new remakes in the film instead of the Liberty masters.  The only time I saw this collection surface was on a vinyl LP from Australia.  I've never seen these tracks surface on CD comps.  There are versions of the 50s remakes from the film on CD - but not the final, lush mixes included on this vinyl release.  Teenager In Love and I Only Have Eyes for You are particularly powerful.  Apparently the RSO release fell apart over a disagreement over who would retain Japanese rights... a lucrative territory.  UA's entire controibution was a re-issue of the Anthology album later that year with a tiny little yellow sticker reminding buyers of the Deadman's Curve film.
The third set of masters was a new Deadman's Curve soundtrack scheduled for release on Mike Nesmith's Pacific Arts label.  These were newly recorded tracks (in 1978) featuring Dean with members of Papa Doo Run Run and Mike Love with members of Celebration.  I think Ron Altbach was involved in production... all of these tracks were newly recorded... the "phone" version of DMC... the legendary bluegrass version of Jennie Lee which featured Jan Berry... etc.  This also remained unreleased although many of the tracks ended up remixed and augmented on Silver Summer.  And the original 1978 mixdown has popped up on various CD comps.  And that's what I remember from those heady days in the fall of 1978... I remember Mike Love and Bruce Johnston talking about producing a Jan Berry solo album that fall as well... so us fans figured we were about to be hit with all sorts of new stuff.  And then none of it ever came out...
 

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« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2014, 01:01:55 PM »
Does anyone know what is the best CD or CDs to get  most of the Dean 1977 version's. I know there are some out there but don't know what ones actually have the classic versions or Deans version. Thanks